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but I for the time I've engaged with Kobe

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Bryant to the time of,

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you know, his unfortunate passing,

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I've never had one bad experience

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with Kobe Bryant.

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I mean, the last time

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I spoke with him was a week

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before his untimely passing of him

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and his daughter

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and those other people

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that were on that helicopter ride.

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And he was cool then, you know, he had

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he had joke around,

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oh, man, you again, you know, so I

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just I think he was

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and I think he was

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really coming into his own.

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And I think he really

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he was after he left basketball,

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I really believe he started

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to really come into his own

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and really be comfortable

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Welcome to Disruption Now!

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I'm your host, and

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moderator, Rob Richardson.

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With me is Nick Hamilton.

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He is the founder

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people of color,

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because it's easy for the media

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where they dehumanize them, either

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make them greater than now or

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in type of superhero or villain.

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Nick, welcome, brother.

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Hey, man, what's going on, man?

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Thanks for having me.

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back to the interview. So, hey.

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All right. All right, Nick.

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So I want to just say

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you've had some really

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notable interviews.

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That's kind of where I want to start.

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What is the what is the what is the

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what is the first interview

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that really just sticks out in your mind?

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I know you've interviewed

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Matt Barnes, Candace Parker,

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Kobe Bryant, Stephen A.

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Let's start with the one that really,

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really just sticks out to you

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and tell us why.

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Actually, there's a couple.

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It's not just one,

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because I've been fortunate

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enough to to interview

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so many people across the 11 years

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that I've been doing this,

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and I would say definitely

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Candace Parker being one,

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because she's just such

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a phenomenal woman,

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along with being a great

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basketball player.

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And for her to be able to balance,

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you know, motherhood

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along with the day to day

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responsibilities that that are,

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pretty much upon her

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as a superstar of a league

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and then doing her

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doing a great job with television.

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I remember when she first started doing

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and becoming an analyst, and I'm like,

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she's she's going to be gold like.

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And you watch the maturation of her

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throughout the years

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and you see the great

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job that she's doing there.

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Candace Parker Day in Chicago

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with the mayor actually

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declaring that that's going to be Candace

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Parker Day on September 16th.

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watching her mature

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we kind of grew in our

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careers respectively,

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because when I started this, the L.A.

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Sparks, the first team that I was able

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to cover professionally

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back at two thousand and ten,

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she had just basically just arrived,

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obviously two years prior,

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and then watching her grow,

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going through the ups and downs

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and then watching her experience,

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you know, getting a championship

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and competing for another championship

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and then being able to move on

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to the Chicago sky.

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she's just a very down to earth person.

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to just see the maturation of that.

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great Kobe Bryant

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now being able to watch it from afar,

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but then also watching, you know,

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being able to speak with him

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in the locker rooms

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at times or being at

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various events where he was.

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And, you know, again, I always say this.

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I don't know if he knew my name,

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but he definitely remembered my face.

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Right. Right. And that's for me.

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That's all I needed.

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What sticks out when you think about Kobe

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and I want to ask this question again

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about with Candice, though, what

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what what specifically stands out with

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the time you interviewed him

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or if it's not that

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just what you just told me?

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I think your your feelings about Kobe

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what sticks out?

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I think I think Kobe

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was misunderstood at.

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I think a lot of times the media didn't

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take time out to really get to know him,

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because I've never had a

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bad experience with Kobe.

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I know somebody remembers

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that early on in his career.

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They may not have

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had the greatest experiences with him,

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but I for the time I've engaged with Kobe

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Bryant to the time of,

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you know, his unfortunate passing,

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I've never had one bad experience

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with Kobe Bryant.

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I mean, the last time

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I spoke with him was a week

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before his untimely passing of him

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and his daughter

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and those other people

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that were on that helicopter ride.

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And he was cool then, you know, he had

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he had joke around,

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oh, man, you again, you know, so I

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just I think he was

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and I think he was

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really coming into his own.

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he was after he left basketball,

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I really believe he started

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to really come into his own

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and really be comfortable

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in his own skin.

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That's not to say

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he wasn't comfortable before

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because the man was he was really tough.

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But I mean, he was

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let's be let's be clear, right.

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You're talking about someone

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that out of high school

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grew up completely in the limelight.

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And it's easy for people that

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have lived private lives to judge him.

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But imagine if everything

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you ever did since you were

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17 was put under a hot microscope,

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a hot, hot microscope and then a light.

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Your entire life

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is a lot of people that wouldn't

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stand up to that either.

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So it went to the point that

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I mentioned earlier,

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especially when it comes

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to black people and athletes.

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It's one or the other.

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We make them, you know, Superman.

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Or they're villains and it's quick

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and they're quick to turn into a villain,

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and we know that it happened in

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in the case with the

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with with the rape allegation

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that was that

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that was eventually thrown out.

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They were quick to make him a villain.

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Very, very quick.

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Well, the thing I love about Kobe

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Bryant is is a resilience.

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And the thing about a man.

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Kobe Bryant was cooling off all the best.

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I mean, that's just

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that's just what he was.

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I mean, he he he was

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he was unapologetically him.

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And we saw the maturation.

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I mean, L.A.

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adopted him as as their native son,

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so to speak, even though, you know,

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he grew up in Philadelphia

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and before that in the country of Italy.

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But he was L.A.

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s son like what he did

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in the communities across Los Angeles

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during the time he

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was playing for the Lakers.

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Aside from winning

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championships and gold medals,

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it was just remarkable

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to see him come back

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full circle and then

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be at the Oscar award winner,

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being a great father,

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you know, coaching his

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daughter at the time,

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it was just her most her moves were sick.

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He was he had his moves.

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That was Kobe.

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That was little Kobe

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that was to walk

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like she would give you that work.

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Like you can tell

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she was going to give you that work.

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And she was definitely,

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you know,

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if she would have been able to to,

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you know, get older and grow older,

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she would have definitely changed

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the landscape of the WNBA wholeheartedly.

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Everybody said that from Diana Taurasi to

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many, countless other

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WNBA players and coaches

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that saw her and witnessed her

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they were like this. This

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she goes,

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you've got to change the WNBA for sure.

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And so you just it was just great, man.

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I feel very fortunate

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to be in Los Angeles

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to be born and raised in L.A.

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West Coast to the casket drops.

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But just to be in Los Angeles at a time

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where I was able to be exposed to

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the greats like Kobe Bryant

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or watching at the time

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back in the day,

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the USC Trojans be that team

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or watching the L.A.

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Kings get two Stanley Cups, a team

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that I grew up with as a kid,

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watching and wondering

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if we would ever win

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a championship with the L.A. team.

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So just being entrenched

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in those circles.

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And the same thing with Candace Parker.

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I think the thing with Candace Parker

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that stands out to me

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to have a young lady,

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to have so much on her shoulders.

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I mean, this is a young lady

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that came out of

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one of the most prestigious

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basketball programs

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when it comes to the

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University of Tennessee.

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And Pat Summitt,

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who one of the greatest

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coaches of all time. God rest her soul.

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And to see that she came into the WNBA

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is the number one pick.

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She was the league MVP.

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She was the rookie of the year.

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She gets pregnant

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with her daughter,

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Laila, the following year, has to sit out

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and then come back in 2010.

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And then she's suffering

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through injuries to 20.

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My understanding is they don't

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they don't get

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they don't get maternity leave.

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They do.

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They didn't they didn't

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get maternity leave at that time. No.

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And so for her to be able to still do

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and go through some personal things

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that we all know she's gone through,

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I'm not going to bring those things up.

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But we all know if you read the papers

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and they'll still be able to persevere

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and to be able to get a WNBA championship

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and then compete for another championship

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and just watching her growth

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and watching her develop

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as a leader in it.

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You see it now with the Chicago sky

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like she is the Chicago sky.

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No disrespect to

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any of the other players,

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but there are some

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talented players around her.

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But she she she's the engine.

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It runs their team.

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And what we saw that development

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from the time she was in Los Angeles

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to where she is now,

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and it was just great to see.

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So that's to me,

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those are two things

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that really stand out to me

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about not just Candace Parker,

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but the late, great Kobe Bryant. Yeah.

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Matt Barnes, man,

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all the smoke that he's

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got that he's going to play pocket is.

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He's a funny dude man.

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He's very entertaining.

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Got a little drama,

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but it makes it interesting.

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So what what is Matt

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Barnes like in person?

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Like what is he is he just like he is on

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the block is just like whatever.

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You could just roll up to

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the kick with you. What was he like?

402
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Let me tell you something, man.

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Matt Barnes is one of the realist He's

404
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really he's in a a five dollar bill

405
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that comes across.

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I would not say he's not out there.

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I would never accuse me inauthentic.

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You know, he's himself.

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But I mean, Matt

410
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has always shown me love, man.

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I mean, even when

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we launched his media company, man,

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he was gracious enough to leave the post,

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you know, the announcement

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on his own, his story.

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And he didn't have to do that at all.

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And I was just really grateful

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and thankful for him for that.

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And that's just how our

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a real dude he really is.

421
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But I've always been, you know, you know,

422
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thought Matt was a stand up guy

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even when he was playing

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with the Clippers.

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The Times I interviewed him

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with the Clippers.

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And then later on, as

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we continue to move along in life,

429
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he met Stephen Jackson, for that matter.

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You know, I'm just I'm

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extremely proud of those two.

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I think they've come a long way.

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I think they've really

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changed the dynamic of the media game.

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And you watch two black men and two

436
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really much just two human beings

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be able to engage

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and really be able

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to live their dreams

440
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every week and every episode

441
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that you watch all the smoke.

442
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And they do. And they give, really.

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Great interviews,

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I mean, you know, they didn't.

445
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I mean, to do knows what he's doing

446
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and he's as entertaining as ever.

447
00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,080
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

448
00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,080
So, I mean, Matt Barnes,

449
00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,400
I mean, I have nothing but respect.

450
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Matt wants to hit me up or

451
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call me or whatever.

452
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And I whatever you need, bro. I'm there.

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You know, if I'm able to be

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there, I'm there.

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And that's just you know,

456
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I have a tremendous amount of respect

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for Matt Barnes.

458
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Yeah. OK, so.

459
00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,720
So you've been in this.

460
00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,880
So you how did you get into

461
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starting your own media company?

462
00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,680
Like how did you how did this

463
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how did

464
00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,360
how did you get to this point, man?

465
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I kind of fell into this this genre

466
00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,280
I should say, rather.

467
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And when it comes to media,

468
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because I didn't know

469
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what I was going to do

470
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at a point in my life,

471
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because I had been going through

472
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I kind of been running from it

473
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because coming from the background

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that we come from

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the communities that we come from,

476
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we don't know exactly

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how to go about doing.

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I mean, they tell you to go to school

479
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with an after school in what?

480
00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,680
Like how do you maneuver yourself?

481
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How do you stand by that enough?

482
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No more either.

483
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You tell it right out of school.

484
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And this was and this was back

485
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you know, again,

486
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I started out blogging

487
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when bloggers were like the.

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And you old and you Internet 1.0.

489
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Yeah. Right.

490
00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,080
So this was back in like 08.

491
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09, right.

492
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Like I was just started

493
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like messing around with the

494
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and I went back to school.

495
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I got an internship with ESPN, L.A.

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and, you know, shout out to

497
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over the ran who actually,

498
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you know, connected me

499
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with the people up in the ESPN L.A.

500
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at the time, because he was working here

501
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and,

502
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you know, connected with a lot of people

503
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who who I still have

504
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a great relationship with

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to this day and to me.

506
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You know, I thought that was very

507
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I set the precedence

508
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and I set the foundation,

509
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and from day one

510
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I said, I don't want to compete

511
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with people that on my level

512
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I want to go steps ahead,

513
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because that's the only way

514
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I'm going to get better.

515
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You know, I sharpen iron

516
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and the only way

517
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you're going to get stronger

518
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is if you put more weight on.

519
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Can't stronger put news

520
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this working out the same weight?

521
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And that's what I equated

522
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that to my journey.

523
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And so working with independent sites

524
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like I've worked with various companies,

525
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I've worked with NBC LA.

526
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I've done couple of things for

527
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AP I've done with AXS.com ,

528
00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,240
you know.

529
00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,960
So I've been able to get both sides,

530
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the independent side

531
00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,880
in the corporate side.

532
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So I learn from those experiences.

533
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And it may in

534
00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,600
the time where my contract had ran out

535
00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,880
because we couldn't agree

536
00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,400
to terms on a deal moving forward.

537
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So we just left the contract run out.

538
00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:21,800
And I was pretty much

539
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stuck at that point.

540
00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,120
And I said, OK,

541
00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:24,960
I never want to be

542
00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,040
in this position again.

543
00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,200
So that's what the light bulb came on.

544
00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,040
And that's what gave me the idea

545
00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,280
at that time to start

546
00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,040
my own media company.

547
00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,480
And I partnered with

548
00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,520
a colleague of mine at that time,

549
00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,760
and we got together and we have formed.

550
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A media company

551
00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,120
didn't really work out the way

552
00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,480
I intended it to work out,

553
00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,840
so I decided since I want

554
00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:47,680
a majority of the heavy

555
00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,480
lifting online as well, do this myself.

556
00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,120
Let's pause on that,

557
00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:51,760
I want to have more

558
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:52,760
conversations about that,

559
00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,000
because I think there is lessons in that.

560
00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,440
I've had that similar experience

561
00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,360
recently with the NFT platform that

562
00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,600
that I started, and

563
00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,360
I started off with the co-founder,

564
00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,120
and it just didn't work because,

565
00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,240
you know, it's like all of a sudden

566
00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,800
I felt like it was we

567
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we weren't equally yoked this way.

568
00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,480
I could say, you know, I was like a 90/10

569
00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:15,520
relationship and there

570
00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,800
was an expectations of a 50/50 split.

571
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Now, I don't work that way.

572
00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,760
Like to. Right.

573
00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,920
Talk to talk to folks who are a lot

574
00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:23,760
who are founders.

575
00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:24,960
We have quite a few founders

576
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,480
who listen to the broadcast.

577
00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,800
What lessons would you get,

578
00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,840
would you give from that in assessing

579
00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,000
how to choose a co-founder

580
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000
and whether you should have a co-founder?

581
00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,160
Just because you guys

582
00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,280
have two things in common,

583
00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,560
don't be so eager to jump in

584
00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,400
and rush into a partnership.

585
00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:42,000
That's the one that's

586
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,640
the first thing I learned,

587
00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:44,840
because you get very eager,

588
00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,520
especially the people that look like us

589
00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,520
and people of color.

590
00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:49,840
When you when you come across

591
00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,760
somebody that you feel like,

592
00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:52,400
hey, man, they're in

593
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,760
the same genre that I mean,

594
00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:54,520
they try to do the same

595
00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:55,160
things I'm billing.

596
00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,080
Why don't we just combine forces

597
00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,240
and, you know, make this

598
00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,360
let's make that push.

599
00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:00,600
You know what I mean?

600
00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,120
But it doesn't necessarily mean

601
00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,320
that you guys should partner in that way.

602
00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,120
You may be able to

603
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,560
utilize each other's talents

604
00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,680
in another particular way

605
00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,240
where it doesn't involve

606
00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,720
you and them being

607
00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,080
in a particular business

608
00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,920
or a partnership.

609
00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,160
That's one thing.

610
00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,280
Another thing I learned is that

611
00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,280
listen to what people don't say.

612
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,080
Hmm.

613
00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:22,920
Tell me what you mean by

614
00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,760
that is not so much

615
00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,120
what they say is what they're not saying.

616
00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,160
Meaning if they tell you,

617
00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,360
oh, yeah, man,

618
00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,000
I can do this, I can do this,

619
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,160
I can do this, OK,

620
00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:33,840
so now I'm thinking,

621
00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,480
well what can't you do it?

622
00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:35,840
How

623
00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,960
and if the things that you can't do

624
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,600
line up what I can do,

625
00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:40,920
then maybe we have something we should.

626
00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,520
We can go a step further.

627
00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:43,960
But if you can't do it

628
00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,560
and then I can't do it,

629
00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,720
then it doesn't make sense for us

630
00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,560
to partner up in that particular manner.

631
00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:48,960
Right.

632
00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,720
So that's that's why I said also,

633
00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,520
I didn't also listen

634
00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:53,560
to people's mentality.

635
00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,440
If you if you shut the hell up

636
00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,720
long enough and listen,

637
00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:58,480
you'll figure out

638
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,240
exactly who people really are.

639
00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,400
And then when they tell you

640
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,440
who they say to you

641
00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,600
what time it is, it's up to you

642
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,280
to check your watch.

643
00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:05,880
Oh,

644
00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:08,880
I like that remix on my Maya

645
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:09,720
Angelos quote. When is that?

646
00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:10,920
When they tell you what time it is.

647
00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:11,880
It's time to check your watch.

648
00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,000
That's good.

649
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,080
Yeah, I mean, that's what it is.

650
00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:14,720
I mean, that's the game

651
00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,160
I learned from from just OGs

652
00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,720
that I've been in any game with.

653
00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:19,680
And people always tell you

654
00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,440
what time it is. Yeah, exactly.

655
00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:22,840
Like you got to listen to your elders,

656
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:23,720
you know, you got to listen

657
00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:24,480
to the OGs out here

658
00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:25,720
because they've been through it

659
00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:26,880
and have the experienced it.

660
00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,680
And so if you wise enough

661
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:29,680
to listen to the pros

662
00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,000
that they're trying to drop you,

663
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:31,600
then you're going to

664
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,800
you're going to be far along in life,

665
00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,480
not just in your particular ,

666
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,800
you know, career, but in life, period.

667
00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,560
So that's the thing I learned about

668
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,200
just being able to to know,

669
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,520
OK, what do I have,

670
00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,680
what don't I have

671
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,960
and who complements me the best?

672
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,520
And even now that even though

673
00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,480
I, you know,

674
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,160
I run and own my own company,

675
00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,520
I still have people in certain areas

676
00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,320
that I feel like are beneficial

677
00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,480
because I can't do those specific things

678
00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,440
now, not just because

679
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,480
maybe I don't know it,

680
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,320
but I may not have the time to do it.

681
00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,160
So, you know, the arms are with the arms.

682
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,080
I've got to do the legs

683
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,680
and with the legs,

684
00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,800
I've got to do the eyes,

685
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,560
the nose, the mouth, so forth.

686
00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:14,680
They all have their roles

687
00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:15,960
and responsibilities.

688
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:16,480
And so

689
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,480
but once they all function on one accord,

690
00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,840
then you can go ahead and move forward

691
00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,960
and be successful by moving forward.

692
00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,480
And that's what I look at

693
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,280
a team of people that are around you.

694
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,000
And a lot of times, too,

695
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,040
sometimes, you know,

696
00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,320
people have their entrances and exits.

697
00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:34,600
Sometimes people

698
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,760
are there for a limited time,

699
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,200
like the degree you and me. Sometimes you

700
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,920
you some some people can be

701
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,240
there for 30 minutes

702
00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,200
so people can be there for 30 years.

703
00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,600
It just depends on who it is

704
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,640
and what they need

705
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,680
that they need to feel

706
00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:48,560
is going to happen.

707
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,200
And sometimes when they feel their need,

708
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,440
it's like, OK, hey, thanks.

709
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,520
Thank you for coming.

710
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,120
It's a lovely parting gifts for you.

711
00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,320
But I need to move on.

712
00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,680
I mean, you know what I mean.

713
00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:58,880
Yeah.

714
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,480
You really said a lot of things there,

715
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,840
to quote the late, great DMX.

716
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,440
He said that you should trust people

717
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,600
to be themselves.

718
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:09,720
That's what he said, right?

719
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,080
Trust people to be themselves.

720
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,080
And you're not going to be disappointed

721
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,160
like I'm that bad.

722
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,480
Trust people to be themselves.

723
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:14,720
So that. Hello. Right. That

724
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,560
takes some observation on

725
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,440
your end to not project

726
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,920
what you think people should be,

727
00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,320
because that's what you are

728
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,960
or that's what you expect.

729
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:24,480
Don't do that.

730
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,640
Like just meet people, just trust people

731
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:28,320
to be themselves.

732
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,400
Like that was a deep line

733
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,360
that I discovered that DMX had.

734
00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:32,200
And it's true.

735
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,280
And it's been you know,

736
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,440
that is helped me having that

737
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:36,800
having that approach to life.

738
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,400
And then second, have also

739
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,600
I think what I hear you saying

740
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,960
is learn self-awareness, learn, learn

741
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:43,480
how you sometimes

742
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,560
project things on the people

743
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,880
that you shouldn't.

744
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,160
Things that or how you do things

745
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,120
or how you judge people

746
00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:52,240
prematurely based upon

747
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,400
some bias you have

748
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,320
or or an area that you just

749
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,440
naturally just inclined

750
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:58,520
to think that way.

751
00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,720
I think you learn those things sometimes,

752
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,920
that you just learn through experience.

753
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,680
And then the goal is

754
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:03,960
not to not make a mistake,

755
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:04,960
that that's not possible.

756
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:05,760
But the goal is don't

757
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,840
make the same mistake.

758
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,480
And you got to move out here

759
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,360
in these streets

760
00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:13,080
very carefully and very efficiently.

761
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,400
I remember something

762
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,560
that Rick Rhodes said.

763
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,920
He said, I don't want to move fast.

764
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,520
I want to move correctly.

765
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,000
And I thought, oh, that's so profound.

766
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,280
And I really felt

767
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,680
that in the city of my soul

768
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,080
because I was like, man,

769
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,320
this is that is absolutely

770
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,640
a pearl of wisdom

771
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,400
that people need to abide by more

772
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,960
so than they don't

773
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,240
everybody such in an rush

774
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,360
because we're in a microwave society,

775
00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,160
if it's not finished in 50 minutes.

776
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,360
Oh, it's not for me.

777
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:38,520
It's not of God.

778
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:39,840
It's it's yeah.

779
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,000
For me, it's going to be for me.

780
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,640
That is excuse the expression.

781
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,360
That is B.S. I would say bullshit.

782
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:47,520
We can get us on the show.

783
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:47,800
All right.

784
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,400
Well, yeah, that's exactly what that is.

785
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,960
As my old baseball coach

786
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,040
would say, that's horseshit

787
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,080
because that's lazy.

788
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,800
Because I don't listen.

789
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,280
Will open up doors for you.

790
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,400
But you have to do things for yourself.

791
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,240
God helps those who help themselves.

792
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,480
I mean, look, got to do the work

793
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,720
you got to do and you got to put it.

794
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,720
You've got to put in the work.

795
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,360
I shared this with a colleague of mine

796
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,880
and I said, listen, guy told you

797
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,280
that you go on Crenshaw and Slauson

798
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,920
and you go in this trash can

799
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,920
and in a brown paper bag,

800
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,160
there's 50 grand in this brown paper sack

801
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:24,320
and it's in the trash

802
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,360
can next to the Shell station.

803
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:27,480
And you live.

804
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,720
They say off the 105

805
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,680
freeway and commercial,

806
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,160
which is approximately from

807
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,240
there is about four miles, let's say.

808
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:34,920
Yeah.

809
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,960
And you don't have a car. Right.

810
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,760
What are you going to do to get there?

811
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,720
Are you going to sit there?

812
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,600
Well, gosh, I'll give you a car

813
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,720
or I'm gonna get a ride for somebody.

814
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,440
No.

815
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,680
If you know you need a 50 grand

816
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,720
and you can get up

817
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,680
and in there you're going to

818
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,960
walk, bikeride skateboard.

819
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,360
I mean, whatever

820
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:55,480
you feel like you need to do.

821
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,280
You got to find a way

822
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,440
to sneak on the back

823
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,720
of the MTA on a routine.

824
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,680
And hopefully the bus

825
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,880
driver don't see you, sneaking on

826
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,320
in the back of the bus.

827
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:03,720
You're going to do

828
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,160
whatever it takes to get there. Right.

829
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,320
You're not going to say, well,

830
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,880
I don't have a car, I don't have a bike.

831
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,280
So maybe, maybe it ain't for me.

832
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,600
No, you go do whatever it takes. Right.

833
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,880
So to apply the same attitude

834
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,240
to what you want to do

835
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,600
when it comes to certain things,

836
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,840
as far as what you want to aspire to,

837
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,440
and if that's the same mentality

838
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,240
you have to have, you know,

839
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,080
and I've learned over

840
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,560
the course of time, too.

841
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,760
Everybody doesn't have big visions.

842
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,160
Everybody doesn't have a vision, period.

843
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,560
And they don't know.

844
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,600
I would say let's break those down.

845
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,720
Hardly anybody has a big vision.

846
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,960
Still, very few people

847
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,080
actually have a vision.

848
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,840
Most people go through their life

849
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,440
with no plan and just kind of

850
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,400
just say, oh, well,

851
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,520
what's the next day going to happen?

852
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,080
We'll just

853
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,240
it is what it is

854
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,480
and it is people that, you know,

855
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,320
they have like this worker be small

856
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:55,560
market mentality.

857
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,600
It's kind of disheartening

858
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,040
because you like you always want.

859
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,040
I know for me,

860
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,680
all the people that I know

861
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,960
personally, I want more.

862
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,040
I want more, more for you. Right.

863
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,400
But I also understand

864
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,320
that you can't want more

865
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,600
for somebody that they want for them.

866
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,120
I mean, it's part of

867
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,520
and I've seen this, Nick man,

868
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,520
it's it's frustrating.

869
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,720
I see it in very talented people, too.

870
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,320
They have a lot of talent

871
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,640
and what their personality is like.

872
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,760
I have to have everything

873
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,600
has to be in a row plan.

874
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,600
And that is the balance

875
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,720
between what you just said earlier.

876
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,000
Right.

877
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,720
Is about moving fast

878
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,120
versus moving correctly.

879
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:28,600
You have so you have people

880
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,800
that are on the extreme point

881
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,000
that they don't move

882
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,680
because they're so because

883
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,440
these are these are hard workers.

884
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,080
But like they get to the point

885
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:37,840
where they just have

886
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,840
to plan out everything

887
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,520
and have to see every

888
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,800
every contingency.

889
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,600
They have to know that it's

890
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,040
completely safe. It's never safe.

891
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,080
I mean, the moment

892
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:49,760
you step out of your

893
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,840
porch, off your porch, whether every day.

894
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,080
I mean, you taking a gamble, right?

895
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,400
I mean, I had to slow my ass down

896
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,240
because I was moving.

897
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,960
I was move at the speed of light.

898
00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,480
Yeah, but see, that's

899
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,480
your personality, though, right?

900
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,040
That's like if you have a personality,

901
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,960
like let's tell people

902
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,960
you have my personality.

903
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,160
Like I'm moving in the right.

904
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,200
And the problem will be

905
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,760
that sometimes I'll move

906
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,400
and then not necessarily I'll jump

907
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,480
and then just not even know

908
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,920
how far I'm up and down.

909
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,080
But sometimes you need to know.

910
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,160
But the other people, they just

911
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,120
they just start looking over

912
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,280
the cliff and say, well,

913
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,600
how far is that distance?

914
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,480
And if I exactly calculated

915
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,520
and then if you want to

916
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,840
those people, you need to

917
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,480
you need to jump.

918
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,960
If you like us, you need to just maybe

919
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,160
think a little bit before you do it.

920
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,360
Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying.

921
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:29,560
Like I had to slow myself down

922
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,120
because I was moving so fast

923
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:32,760
and I was kind of missing

924
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,840
a few small things that I had to go.

925
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,320
But that's still my weakness.

926
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,520
I'm and I said I'm not an operator.

927
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,640
I was like, nah,

928
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,360
I said, man, I can't do that.

929
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,400
And I had to get with somebody

930
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,960
who could kind of navigate me

931
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,760
through certain things and let me know.

932
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,280
OK, bro, you need to slow down.

933
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,920
Yeah, well, you're in a good part.

934
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,760
This is where even if

935
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,680
you don't have a co-founder,

936
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,520
this is where you need a good then

937
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,160
a good employee teammate

938
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,400
that's with you that helps you.

939
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,200
Like you said, look out

940
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,280
for your flaws like mean

941
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,040
you and I are the same way like I I'm not

942
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,960
the I'm not going to be the CFO

943
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,880
or the detailed operator on everything.

944
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,440
I will take the vision

945
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,680
I go out there, sell it.

946
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,600
I'll make sure I'll make sure

947
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,960
that the ships are running

948
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,560
and everybody's on time.

949
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,320
But doing like the micro

950
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,120
operating in the manager

951
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,040
is not your skill set.

952
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:21,880
It's not my skill set.

953
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,120
It's not it sounds like it's not yours.

954
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,880
And being honest about what you're

955
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:26,920
what you're not good at.

956
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,800
It is the beginning of good leadership.

957
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,920
Well, plus, we're creative's, right?

958
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,280
So like most creatives,

959
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,840
that's why you look at

960
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,240
a lot of the creatives,

961
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,720
like they need other people

962
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,680
up to a certain point.

963
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,920
Like you look at the Jay Z's

964
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,760
and the Dr.Dres of the world,

965
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,040
they need other people

966
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,720
at the time like Dre,

967
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,240
you know, Eazy Shug

968
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,040
Night and then, you know,

969
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,560
you know, to give you give to a certain

970
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,040
exactly what he was able

971
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,680
to Dre was able to grow on his own.

972
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,000
Same thing with Jay.

973
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,480
You know, they had to learn at first.

974
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,440
Is that what your point is

975
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,240
well taken, right?

976
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,840
I mean, Dre didn't get into it

977
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,000
until I believe Eazy

978
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,840
brought him into it either.

979
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240
So like it's like you got to know

980
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,640
what you're not great at

981
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,880
and then you got to keep growing. Right.

982
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,400
I mean, like Dre, still,

983
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,040
there's still stuff.

984
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:09,680
Dre is billionaire.

985
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,160
There's still stuff.

986
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,480
Dre didn't do it just like the other day.

987
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,600
That's how I become

988
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,920
a billionaire, you know, man,

989
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,240
by doing all the damn work,

990
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:16,960
because the billionaire,

991
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,720
by learning how to scale yourself

992
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,080
into society with Jay-Z,

993
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,640
like Jay-Z, and learn from doing that.

994
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,680
And then eventually,

995
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,320
you know, some other

996
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,120
people along the way.

997
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:25,760
And he found it, but he figured it out.

998
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,880
Now, he's one of the most powerful,

999
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,360
powerful people in in in society,

1000
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,600
you know, with Roc nation

1001
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,360
and everything else that he's

1002
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:34,640
just that he's a part of

1003
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,840
and his lovely wife,

1004
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,000
Beyonce, is a part of.

1005
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,600
And so you just look

1006
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,880
at the maturation of people.

1007
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,360
And that, to me is very inspiring.

1008
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:43,240
I've never.

1009
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,160
You know, even people that

1010
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,200
that have not been

1011
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,640
on the billionaire status,

1012
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,560
but just people I see

1013
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,360
sometimes I'm like, man, I'm inspired

1014
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,160
by people I see.

1015
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,160
I hear on the radio,

1016
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,280
like locally here in Los Angeles,

1017
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,120
you know, I tell them all

1018
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:56,560
the time, do it.

1019
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:57,760
I'm inspired by what you do.

1020
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,480
And I'm just I mean, is,

1021
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,560
you know, homegrown radio,

1022
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,840
which I guess or deejay here,

1023
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,160
like every time I see them.

1024
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:03,880
So we are here.

1025
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,480
I'm inspired, you know,

1026
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,840
shout out to my boy, you know, Chuckie

1027
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,560
Walter and Chuck

1028
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,240
Walter my man does a lot of stuff.

1029
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,280
He's connected like that

1030
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,360
man is connected to the connected like he

1031
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,560
this man is like he is the connected guy.

1032
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,680
I mean, I'm inspired

1033
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,560
every time I see him.

1034
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,520
Boom, you know, he's a good brother,

1035
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,840
you know, hardworking,

1036
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,680
you know, motivating.

1037
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,600
And so people like that, people like that

1038
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,600
I'm inspired by as well.

1039
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,040
So I look at everybody as as a chapter,

1040
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,760
I should say, in a book

1041
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,560
when it comes to this thing called life.

1042
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,960
And what can I learn from

1043
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,560
what pearls of wisdom can I gain from

1044
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,360
and add to my arsenal.

1045
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,080
Yeah, that's great.

1046
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:46,720
All right. Let's.

1047
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,240
I like to get to some lightning

1048
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,320
round questions before we wrap up.

1049
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:52,080
Let's do it. Yeah. All right.

1050
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,480
So think about a time.

1051
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,040
Let's think about time you failed

1052
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:58,960
and how that set

1053
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,000
you up later for success.

1054
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,480
OK, so time fail.

1055
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,840
Let's see.

1056
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,080
The time I failed was

1057
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,920
I had lost out.

1058
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,960
What happened was I.

1059
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,480
Took some video, was covering a scene,

1060
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,720
and I you know, I wasn't supposed to,

1061
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,000
I guess, report on it

1062
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,120
and I did I didn't know

1063
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:27,840
because I got clearance from those

1064
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,480
who were in charge of me at that time .

1065
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,560
But the university didn't like it.

1066
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,920
And, you know, I'm

1067
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,920
sending him like, hey, man,

1068
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,320
this is what I could do.

1069
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,600
You know, if I get an opportunity

1070
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,040
to cover your team like this,

1071
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,960
this is what I could do,

1072
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,760
you know, just trying to

1073
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,640
sell myself into it.

1074
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,560
And it failed. It blew up in my face.

1075
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,400
And a person that told me

1076
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,760
at the company I was working with

1077
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,080
that I could do it.

1078
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,360
Of course, they act like they don't.

1079
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,560
They had amnesia.

1080
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,720
And so I fell on the sword

1081
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,440
and it ruined my relationship

1082
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,440
at that time

1083
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,720
with that particular university

1084
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,600
where I was banned

1085
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,320
for like a year and change

1086
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,200
like I could do no coverage.

1087
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,000
They the station like that on me

1088
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,200
that I was working at,

1089
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,560
like they got on me about it

1090
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,960
and I felt like ten pounds of hot crap

1091
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,600
right now.

1092
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,880
And I was like and this was like,

1093
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,520
I think I wanna say like year

1094
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,080
three of my career doing this.

1095
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,960
And I was, you know, I was hurt

1096
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,200
and I was like, damn man

1097
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,200
like what am I going to do?

1098
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,920
Like, I can't you know,

1099
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,840
this is a very prestigious

1100
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,640
organization, so I can't be on the outs

1101
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,120
in about a little after a year.

1102
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,400
I approached

1103
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,120
the gentleman that was introduced

1104
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,600
as the PR person.

1105
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,960
that was in charge of the university,

1106
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,400
and I just had a real conversation

1107
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,320
with them and about

1108
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,120
I would say maybe a month or two later,

1109
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,000
he said, okay, here's

1110
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,360
what I want to do for you.

1111
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,000
I'm going to let you cover

1112
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,240
X amount of games.

1113
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,280
I'm going to pick the games

1114
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,040
that you can cover, and that's it.

1115
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,800
And I was like, was I happy about it?

1116
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,200
No, because I wanted to cover

1117
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,120
every single game. Right.

1118
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,760
But I learned.

1119
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,920
Shut up.

1120
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,160
Take the L.

1121
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,560
Learn from the L on how you got there.

1122
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,000
And so that doesn't happen to you again.

1123
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,200
And on a larger scale.

1124
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,600
So I went through that.

1125
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,360
I had to go through

1126
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,040
the bumps and bruises and

1127
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,360
pretty much each year

1128
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,520
for a couple of years.

1129
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,880
Until I was able to build that rapport

1130
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,600
and build that trust now.

1131
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,840
Man, we're on great terms.

1132
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,800
You know, he looks out for me.

1133
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Hey, man, how's everything going?

1134
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,000
We have conversation

1135
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,760
when we cross paths with each other.

1136
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,720
You know, he's looked out for me

1137
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,240
on on several occasions.

1138
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:39,840
That makes sense.

1139
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,360
Like I would've done

1140
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,280
the same thing about myself.

1141
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,640
I would. Because you don't know.

1142
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:43,760
He didn't know your whole side.

1143
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,680
And you had to think back

1144
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,680
now and and see.

1145
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,760
And he gave you another shot.

1146
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,160
And then once you prove that,

1147
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,520
he let you back in.

1148
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,640
I mean, that makes it.

1149
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,560
Yeah. I mean, he was great.

1150
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,600
I mean, I never got a chance

1151
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,680
to tell my side of the story.

1152
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,080
So that's

1153
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,400
that was the part about it

1154
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,120
is I don't even get a chance

1155
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,240
to tell my side of the story at the time,

1156
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,680
but before respected

1157
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,520
the fact that you didn't

1158
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,120
even throw that dude under the bus.

1159
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,600
That's why is that being long term?

1160
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,680
I mean, I come back from the streets,

1161
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,600
but you don't have to snitch

1162
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,040
you whatever you dirty is

1163
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,600
it will come out in the wash

1164
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,680
it alwayscomes out

1165
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,160
the truth always comes out got me.

1166
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,960
I was fortunate.

1167
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,360
That's how that's how I learned

1168
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,360
how to rebound from Philly.

1169
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:18,960
And that's OK.

1170
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,240
The next time I get a

1171
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,880
no I'm just going to flip it to a yes.

1172
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,000
How can I figure out the flip the two.

1173
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,280
Yes.

1174
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,680
And that's one moment my mentality

1175
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,600
It just made it stronger.

1176
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,480
So that's what I

1177
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,040
that was my failure at that time.

1178
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,280
And I didn't quit the business.

1179
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,560
I didn't walk away like, oh, I'm

1180
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,440
going to hell with this man.

1181
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,040
I 'm not going to put up with this crap.

1182
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:35,600
You answered that.

1183
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,520
Well, like a lot of people,

1184
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,280
some people have on his show usually.

1185
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,680
Give me some.

1186
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,280
Not always.

1187
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,040
But a lot of times

1188
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,960
give you a bullshit answer.

1189
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,120
Like they say they give you something.

1190
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,520
That's the price is like

1191
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,680
the value was a failure.

1192
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,440
Like if you're like

1193
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,960
maybe this guy, you're like,

1194
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,680
oh, I was I literally

1195
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,400
I was walking down the way in a bus,

1196
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,360
splashed me on the way I was going to do

1197
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,440
an interview is like what

1198
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,000
you read the LA times, man,

1199
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,320
if you don't knock it off.

1200
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,120
I never had a failure

1201
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,040
like this is what happened.

1202
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,040
And it's nothing like it's like

1203
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,080
almost like a point.

1204
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,160
Like is this like

1205
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,760
is that like just a minor hiccup

1206
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,320
and maybe like maybe

1207
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,280
maybe people don't have it,

1208
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,520
but I don't believe it. Right.

1209
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,120
I think people in general

1210
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,440
are just afraid to be vulnerable.

1211
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Lots of people after I failed a lot,

1212
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,720
I'm going to fail again.

1213
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,960
My goal is to just make sure

1214
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,600
I learn from it.

1215
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,480
And people know that, you know,

1216
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,360
it wasn't intentional.

1217
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Like I failed

1218
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,840
I screwed things up,

1219
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,880
but I got to pivot area.

1220
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,280
I failed my first my first company.

1221
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,240
And as I've mentioned earlier

1222
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,880
with a colleague of mine

1223
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,080
that was a business partner with

1224
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,720
I mean, that was a failure.

1225
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,560
I mean, people

1226
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,400
people don't look at like

1227
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,840
people that tell me.

1228
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,080
And it wasn't a failure.

1229
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,080
I'm like, no, because I didn't

1230
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,200
develop into anything.

1231
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Like, what did you develop into? Right.

1232
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,280
I mean, you know,

1233
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,200
you learn, but you learn.

1234
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,160
But here's the thing.

1235
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,280
You learn more from failures.

1236
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,800
And there's actually a danger

1237
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,960
to becoming successful too fast

1238
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,760
because you believe

1239
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,440
that you believe your own hype

1240
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,680
and then you and then you create

1241
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,720
a bunch of bad habits

1242
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,560
that can really bring you down.

1243
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,440
And so there is some there some benefit.

1244
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,680
I mean, people don't like to hear this,

1245
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,760
but I can tell you from that, like

1246
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,000
but by this point in my career,

1247
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,720
I believed I was going to be whatever

1248
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,800
governor or whatever I ran for mayor,

1249
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,080
even though I'll raise my opponents.

1250
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,800
I didn't I didn't win.

1251
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,520
That race came close in the run up.

1252
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,560
I ran for treasurer of the state of Ohio

1253
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,920
and know got two million

1254
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,800
votes, outraised my opponent.

1255
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,480
But it's a it's a state

1256
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,680
that is very Republican

1257
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,520
out of a Democrat.

1258
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,040
And so still lost.

1259
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,240
It's all very seriously.

1260
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,040
Yeah, it is.

1261
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:31,480
But, you know,

1262
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,680
I went through this experience

1263
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,240
and people tell you

1264
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,480
when you go through it,

1265
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,920
it's not fun like.

1266
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,480
But did I did I learn that?

1267
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,480
I learned that I grow?

1268
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,520
Do I now have a lot more contacts

1269
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,480
than I ever had? Yes.

1270
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Did people see how I performed

1271
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,520
in terms of how I carry myself?

1272
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,320
How I didn't I wasn't dishonest.

1273
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,680
Did that help me?

1274
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Did I help my long term career prospects?

1275
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,120
It absolutely did. Right.

1276
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,800
So, I mean, it's but

1277
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,080
it was not a fun experience

1278
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,040
in terms of feeling like people

1279
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:02,960
tell me they enjoy

1280
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,600
they love feeling like they know

1281
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,960
I didn't love failing.

1282
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,440
But I understand that

1283
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,400
those things taught me

1284
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,440
because I know myself

1285
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,120
like, damn, I really didn't know anything

1286
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,800
about a lot of stuff.

1287
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,440
I thought like I could do

1288
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,040
how to run an operation.

1289
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:16,800
I got that right.

1290
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,040
The first real kind of business

1291
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,560
I had was running for mayor

1292
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,720
and I was like, yeah, this is

1293
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:21,400
this is going to be easy.

1294
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,840
Like I know how to raise money.

1295
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,880
A, I got this person on my hire.

1296
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,840
I like him. He seems cool.

1297
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:29,880
It was nice.

1298
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,400
It was nice to do.

1299
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,200
But he didn't know what he was doing

1300
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,280
because he was too young.

1301
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,200
I hired him because I saw him as like me.

1302
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,240
And that's not a good reason

1303
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:38,040
to hire people like

1304
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:38,960
I see that now, right?

1305
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,840
They have to they have to

1306
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,840
they have to do some type of skillset

1307
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,560
or fill a void that you don't have.

1308
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,960
And they need to add to that.

1309
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,840
And you don't need to hire people

1310
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,920
that are just like you.

1311
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,160
And I didn't know that coming right out.

1312
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,760
You know, I was six, seven years.

1313
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,720
I didn't know that.

1314
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:55,920
And so only going through

1315
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:56,800
these experiences

1316
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,480
taught me that, so I will say

1317
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,640
I am grateful for the experience

1318
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,720
because that's helped me

1319
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,840
become a better business person.

1320
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Oh, absolutely.

1321
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,000
I mean, here's the thing, man.

1322
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,040
Like, you can't be afraid to fail,

1323
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,520
but you can't be afraid of success.

1324
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,680
And I notice that more people

1325
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,840
are afraid of success than they are

1326
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,200
because they are

1327
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,720
so accustomed to failure.

1328
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:16,720
And when you start having

1329
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:18,240
that type of energy around

1330
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,840
you, you're going to continue to fail.

1331
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,600
I guess nothing wrong.

1332
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,400
We all got emotions that we all had,

1333
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,200
you know, decisions and disappointments

1334
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,800
and all that kind of stuff. Right.

1335
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,320
But when you look

1336
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,640
at the overall totality of it,

1337
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,960
how can I get myself out of it?

1338
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,240
Because I don't want to stay here.

1339
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:34,920
Like, I don't want to

1340
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,760
stay on the sixth floor.

1341
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,080
I'm trying to get to the 80th floor

1342
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,160
and I get outside of the House.

1343
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,760
And so how can I get to that idea?

1344
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,520
Floor of the elevator ain't working.

1345
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:42,840
Right.

1346
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,960
So I want to ask you about her flow here.

1347
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,160
I think the most important advice

1348
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,240
to get from the sixth floor

1349
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,680
to the 80th floor, what's the most

1350
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,840
what's the most essential thing

1351
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,520
you think that that helps get people

1352
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,720
there do over whatever

1353
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,160
the hell you got to do to do it.

1354
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,720
And just because I mean, I'm

1355
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,320
just going to be I'm going to be simple.

1356
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,800
I want to be simple. Yeah.

1357
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,920
It ain't in your own way.

1358
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,760
You execute and execute.

1359
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,560
And also to what works for Rob

1360
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,760
ain't going to work for me

1361
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:10,680
and what works for Nick.

1362
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,280
And that may not

1363
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,360
necessarily work for Rob.

1364
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,640
Right now, you got to go out there

1365
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,160
and just do what you need to do

1366
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,280
and get it done.

1367
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,280
Get to the finish line

1368
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,000
no matter how you get to the finish line.

1369
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,800
I swam, crawl, walk, you know, bike ride,

1370
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,440
whatever you got to do

1371
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,200
to get to the finish line.

1372
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,560
You just get like

1373
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,320
whatever you've got to do to do it,

1374
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,520
just get there.

1375
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,120
And I got the one thing I've been taught

1376
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,360
and I've and I've learned, you know,

1377
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,480
certain principles

1378
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,520
you're not going to be able

1379
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,400
to take with you

1380
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,440
the higher you go up,

1381
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,160
because it doesn't call for that.

1382
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:41,880
Tell me more tell me

1383
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,600
more what you mean by that.

1384
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,480
There's only a level of

1385
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,640
morality only go so far.

1386
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,800
Right. Right.

1387
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,160
So let's say 80 floors,

1388
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,360
you get the 50 floor.

1389
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,880
Well, last stop for morality, 15th floor.

1390
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Now you can get off on the 50th floor

1391
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,400
and you and if you're comfortable,

1392
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,280
we're fine with that. That's cool.

1393
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:00,520
Yeah.

1394
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,880
Don't complain about the next man

1395
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,600
that got to the 60th,

1396
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,560
70th and 80th floor.

1397
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,040
And now you mad or upset

1398
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,320
because they're getting

1399
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,440
what they're getting?

1400
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,280
Don't worry about how they got there.

1401
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,440
They're getting what they want.

1402
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,480
They sacrifice to get whatever that is

1403
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,520
that they wanted to get,

1404
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,640
that they will comfortable in themselves

1405
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,760
to would be willing to sacrifice.

1406
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,040
That's what you're willing to sacrifice.

1407
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,520
And to even kids

1408
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,840
that I've spoken to in colleges

1409
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,840
and things like that.

1410
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,040
Listen, whatever it is

1411
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,000
you're willing to sacrifice. No,

1412
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,560
be bold enough to

1413
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,880
look yourself in the mirror

1414
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,680
and be proud of what you've done,

1415
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,480
because that's

1416
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,560
because you made an agreement

1417
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,400
to yourself to sacrifice

1418
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,480
X, Y and Z versus

1419
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,840
the next person over here to say,

1420
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,520
hey, I'm only going so far after that.

1421
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,360
I'm not I'm not going past that.

1422
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,200
And it's not and it's

1423
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,520
not it's not a bad thing.

1424
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,520
It's just it's a personal thing

1425
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,760
is there's no solutions, only tradeoffs.

1426
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,040
There's a tradeoff to everything in life.

1427
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,040
You want to go to the fiftieth floor,

1428
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,960
each floor have a different tradeoff.

1429
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,080
Listen is not gonna

1430
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,160
as much as people like to say that.

1431
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,280
For example, it's

1432
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,560
not the all black world.

1433
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,120
This is a multicultural world.

1434
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,360
No, we want to have inclusion

1435
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,280
and economic inclusion

1436
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,640
as black people and as black media

1437
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,040
and black businesses.

1438
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,120
But you also have to understand,

1439
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,520
you have to be able to network

1440
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,880
and get along with people

1441
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,960
of other cultures and other backgrounds.

1442
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,880
And if you're not able to do that,

1443
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,600
you're not going to create

1444
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,440
an all black anything or brown

1445
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,280
anything or it's going to

1446
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,240
because we don't have

1447
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,800
in a society that we live in.

1448
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,680
We don't have those

1449
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,080
the power and the resources to do that,

1450
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,200
not wholeheartedly.

1451
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,120
Not by ourselves.

1452
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:37,840
No, no.

1453
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,520
And nobody has done it by themselves?

1454
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,120
No.

1455
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,800
I mean, as great as Oprah

1456
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,840
Winfrey in what she's accomplished

1457
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,360
in hats off to her and what she's done.

1458
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,160
I mean, she she's definitely the goat

1459
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,200
when it comes to this

1460
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,040
this media world,

1461
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,440
because she took it by storm

1462
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,640
and she never looked back.

1463
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,200
The things that we see Michael Jordan

1464
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,760
do, the things that we see

1465
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,280
countless other people

1466
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,640
do in our in our culture and our world,

1467
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,920
you know, Ice Cube or

1468
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,200
Byron Allen or Earl Graves Jr.,

1469
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,040
you know, people like that.

1470
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Yeah, they've done

1471
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,600
they've done masterful things.

1472
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,520
And again, as I said

1473
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,160
earlier, inspiring things.

1474
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,960
But they had to sacrifice something.

1475
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,680
They were willing to go the extra mile

1476
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,920
that maybe you or I

1477
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,600
or somebody else wasn't able to

1478
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,040
or willing to go to get the job done.

1479
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,240
So it was up to me

1480
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,880
as a personal choice is like,

1481
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,680
will you willing to do to get to the top?

1482
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,760
I think that personal choice,

1483
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,560
I think I come in,

1484
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,400
if there's something to do, matter,

1485
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,720
one that you can't control,

1486
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,240
so that you can't worry about is timing.

1487
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,560
But I will say this.

1488
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,320
Everybody's not going

1489
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,120
to be a billionaire,

1490
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,640
and I don't think

1491
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,400
that should be your goal.

1492
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,520
But your goal should be to achieve

1493
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,960
your highest level of contribution

1494
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,880
that you can achieve

1495
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,840
and perhaps that will be a billionaire,

1496
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,160
perhaps that is you

1497
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:55,840
create a company

1498
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,600
that sells two million a year,

1499
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,280
perhaps is a company

1500
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,200
that does two hundred thousand a year.

1501
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,120
I believe everybody

1502
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,280
can achieve a level of

1503
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,360
a level of achievement

1504
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,520
where they can they can

1505
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,640
they can they can they can

1506
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,000
they can have some power

1507
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,240
and they can have some freedom

1508
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:10,120
if they put some

1509
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,920
if they put some effort into it.

1510
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,360
And the second part that to do

1511
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,120
that is you need it,

1512
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,200
you need it, that you do need it.

1513
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,360
I'll say that this is a universal rule.

1514
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,800
You need a network

1515
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,480
and you need to know how

1516
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,640
to intentionally network in a.

1517
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,800
If you learn how to do those things,

1518
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,880
you'll create you'll you'll have money

1519
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,080
and you'll create value for yourself,

1520
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,960
to your point.

1521
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,080
A lot of mine, a lot of my support.

1522
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,320
I've had a lot of supporters

1523
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,520
who don't agree with all of my politics,

1524
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,000
who are conservative as ever.

1525
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:38,800
But we connect.

1526
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,600
Right.

1527
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,240
And I don't view them as like evil.

1528
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,280
I don't agree with them.

1529
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,160
I think some of their views

1530
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,840
are absolutely off the wall.

1531
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,520
And I told them this to their face

1532
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,720
and I've told them why they're wrong.

1533
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,560
But I also have respected them.

1534
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,400
And they fund this.

1535
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,200
They fund things

1536
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,320
and they help and they support.

1537
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,720
So I think it's also learning,

1538
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:59,000
as you said, really,

1539
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,080
that everybody that has

1540
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,360
just because someone has

1541
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,960
a different political view,

1542
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,320
they come from a different background.

1543
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,240
Don't let that ruin an opportunity

1544
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,200
for a relationship,

1545
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:09,640
because there's all types

1546
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,640
of opportunities.

1547
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,320
That's an experience

1548
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,320
I think that I've seen.

1549
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,240
I think I draw a line

1550
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,280
when it comes to racism,

1551
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,280
because the racism.

1552
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,720
Well, you got to racism I draw the line

1553
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:19,800
there you go to break it up.

1554
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,040
I mean, that's what I thought.

1555
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:21,520
You know, there's

1556
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,440
certain lines that I draw,

1557
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,360
but I get what you're saying.

1558
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,480
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

1559
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,480
But but but that but that.

1560
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,200
But that is like.

1561
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,880
But how do you challenge that?

1562
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,760
Like because I think almost everybody's

1563
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,760
racist is so like

1564
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,000
when I say racist,

1565
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,480
I'm like so like if it's like you, you

1566
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,560
can't just go away

1567
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,080
like you hate black people.

1568
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:39,400
Yeah.

1569
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,040
I won't like you, but like

1570
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,560
to say like to me, OK,

1571
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,320
someone that has some of beliefs

1572
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,960
that are ignorant.

1573
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,440
I mean, most people do.

1574
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,200
And then even people that say

1575
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,960
that they're for us,

1576
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,280
you know,

1577
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,600
if you look at how they practice,

1578
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,680
you know, we can go

1579
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:55,960
we can go to some of the biggest places

1580
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,760
in Silicon Valley.

1581
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,120
They all got Black Lives

1582
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,240
Matter statement. That's that.

1583
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,800
And I want to talk to you about that.

1584
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,000
Right.

1585
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Because I know you can't

1586
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,000
help people right there.

1587
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Let's talk about that.

1588
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:04,920
There's a whole bunch of people

1589
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,800
that got Black Lives Matter.

1590
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,040
We want to fight racism.

1591
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,520
We hear you.

1592
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,680
But then when you look at the

1593
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:11,680
you look back and you look,

1594
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,480
these are looking at the pay record.

1595
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,920
You start looking at the

1596
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,240
the board members.

1597
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:17,760
I mean, to me.

1598
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,440
So when you say racism, I hear you.

1599
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,600
But I'm like like

1600
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,560
I don't even know how you measure that

1601
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,800
because like it's like

1602
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,120
so like I don't I don't

1603
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,880
I don't think everybody is racist.

1604
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:26,920
I think they are racist

1605
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:27,760
people in this society.

1606
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,520
How do you define racism?

1607
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,320
Racism is when you are trying

1608
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,520
to purposely hold

1609
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,560
someone back economically, politically

1610
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,920
and otherwise, because simply

1611
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,400
because of the color of their skin.

1612
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,440
So you have a different view

1613
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,160
of what you have

1614
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,560
and when you and when you are

1615
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,800
in a position of power to do so.

1616
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,960
That is the key,

1617
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,760
because that's what

1618
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,280
I've had conversations about.

1619
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,040
Oh, man, black.

1620
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:50,760
First of all, black

1621
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,760
people cannot be racist.

1622
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,680
Number one,

1623
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,720
you don't have the economic

1624
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:55,720
political argument that or power.

1625
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,920
Same thing we need right now.

1626
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,720
We can be prejudice, right?

1627
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,120
We can have bigoted view.

1628
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,800
Same thing with Latino people.

1629
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,240
Same thing with, you know, whoever.

1630
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,120
We can have prejudice

1631
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,120
in bigoted viewpoints.

1632
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:06,880
Absolutely.

1633
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,560
Because that's just the stereotypical I'm

1634
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,000
going to challenge

1635
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,280
that statement too let me

1636
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:10,960
do this real quick,

1637
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,320
because I think I think

1638
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,440
you're thinking it out

1639
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,240
a little bit to one dimensional.

1640
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:18,200
Can we be racist

1641
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,440
against the greater society?

1642
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,120
No,

1643
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,840
but can we and do we all think

1644
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,520
contribute to racism? Absolutely.

1645
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,840
So in terms of like hurting other

1646
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,240
other people who are hurting ourselves,

1647
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,240
being in the position

1648
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,080
where you're in trouble.

1649
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,200
But here's the thing.

1650
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,640
Let me interject on that point.

1651
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,000
That's not see, that's not right.

1652
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,080
That's that's that's self-hatred.

1653
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,360
That wasn't that was taught to us

1654
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,040
by those who were embraces

1655
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:41,920
and political power.

1656
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,440
I agree. I agree.

1657
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,200
But that's not that's not racism.

1658
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,520
That's that's self-hatred,

1659
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,440
which is something totally different

1660
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,440
that was learned

1661
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,080
from those who practice racist behavior.

1662
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,600
But we as black folks and people,

1663
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,800
we can not be racist

1664
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,680
because we don't have, again,

1665
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,720
the economic and political power to stop.

1666
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:04,840
And we can't stop a whole

1667
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,000
another race of people. Yeah.

1668
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,520
But those people that are in charge

1669
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,560
that don't look like us

1670
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,320
half for 300, 400 plus years.

1671
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,320
So so here's my.

1672
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,160
So I think where we're getting

1673
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,520
where we're having our

1674
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,120
going to discussion here

1675
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,280
and I love this,

1676
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,880
is that we have different

1677
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,360
definitions of racism.

1678
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,040
So I have.

1679
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,880
So that's why I asked you

1680
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,600
what your definition of racism is

1681
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,960
and how you described it.

1682
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,640
I don't have a disagreement

1683
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,520
with how you described it,

1684
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,040
but how I describe it is

1685
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,320
that race, racism is a social construct

1686
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,640
used to use to exercise power.

1687
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:39,600
Right.

1688
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,960
And so when when a construct is there,

1689
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,600
it becomes the default.

1690
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,880
So when I talk about everybody

1691
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,000
who has racist tendencies,

1692
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,880
it is our default thinking.

1693
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,200
And so we unless we are

1694
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,760
unless we challenge ourselves,

1695
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,200
even black people

1696
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,440
believe some of these things,

1697
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,640
even if it's subconscious,

1698
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,600
because it's so much

1699
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,280
a part of the default

1700
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,880
and it's ingrained in the system.

1701
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,440
It's ingrained how people communicate

1702
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,560
because it's been there, as you

1703
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,160
said, for three or four hundred years.

1704
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,720
And so to not actually

1705
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:10,520
since not actually be racism,

1706
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:11,520
because I think people

1707
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,480
when they had this idea, they think of it

1708
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,480
somebody strategic,

1709
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,800
they're strategic and they're specific.

1710
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,200
And there are people that are doing that.

1711
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,360
But but I think they're

1712
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,000
they're conscious

1713
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,280
about what they're doing.

1714
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,760
And my my my my discussing with you

1715
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,720
and with others is

1716
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,280
I don't think most people are conscious

1717
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,320
of what they are doing.

1718
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,280
I think they believe that they are,

1719
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,280
but they're not.

1720
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,680
And they're following a construct

1721
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,440
that they don't even understand

1722
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,560
why it's there,

1723
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:36,560
but they just believe it

1724
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,320
and don't even understand

1725
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:37,920
what they believe,

1726
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,640
because it's been ingrained

1727
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,600
for such a long time.

1728
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,760
And that goes for us, too.

1729
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,600
So that's why I say like

1730
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,960
when people can do that

1731
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,280
and not like not have

1732
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,520
any hatred for anybody.

1733
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,120
That's what I'm saying.

1734
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:48,560
This is what this.

1735
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,840
Well, this is the last

1736
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,400
of prejudice comes in because you

1737
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,160
you talk about stereotypical natures

1738
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,600
or constructs or something

1739
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,440
that's been taught

1740
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,800
that has been ingrained into. Right.

1741
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,080
Whatever that that group of people is.

1742
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,840
And that's what the prejudices come in

1743
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,240
because we can look at.

1744
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,120
I remember there was an incident

1745
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,400
where, you know,

1746
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,040
when when the Asian community

1747
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:09,880
started coming into the

1748
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,480
black community in L.A.

1749
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,840
and we didn't understand the custom.

1750
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Right. I'm going to say a few things.

1751
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,360
Not everybody,

1752
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,520
but we understand a custom why

1753
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,080
they would put the money on the counter

1754
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,880
instead of putting it back in my hand.

1755
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,880
Because in America,

1756
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,280
we like yo, man, you want to touch me?

1757
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:23,880
It's almost wrong.

1758
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,600
What do you think the black will rub off?

1759
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,760
No, but in their custom,

1760
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,880
the respect level is, hey,

1761
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,400
we put the money back on the table

1762
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:31,920
because there's no

1763
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,920
they don't believe PDA Right?

1764
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,760
Public displays.

1765
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:35,520
It's culture.

1766
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,080
That's how it's a culture thing.

1767
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,040
But we don't understand the culture.

1768
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,400
Now we ought to Maglan, he

1769
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,280
said, going back to the stereotype,

1770
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,000
you are a racist

1771
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,960
because they don't like blacks right now.

1772
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:46,800
I still think it's different.

1773
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:47,360
Like I think

1774
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,760
I think it's it's

1775
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,240
like the system in general.

1776
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,600
I'm just talking about the default

1777
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,520
of how we're taught.

1778
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,440
And this is a deep conversation.

1779
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,240
I love it.

1780
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,760
Is that essentially that

1781
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,560
white people are here?

1782
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:02,320
And black people are at the lowest level.

1783
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,880
And and and that's that's what is taught

1784
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,440
and it's the construct that I

1785
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,440
that I work to challenge

1786
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,200
every single day. Right.

1787
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,080
And why and then so why?

1788
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,040
I say I believe again,

1789
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,000
this is this is just this

1790
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,080
just me and I'm a nerd like this.

1791
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,760
A great book. A great book.

1792
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:22,800
I don't know if you read a lot

1793
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,520
or if you listen.

1794
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,440
I do a lot of audible

1795
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,040
great book

1796
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,000
for how the mind works

1797
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,040
is thinking fast and slow.

1798
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,080
OK. Right.

1799
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,400
So, I mean, I highly recommend that book

1800
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,920
because it'll blow your mind

1801
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,800
once you take those

1802
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:36,840
once you go through things

1803
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,320
and understand that. Well, them.

1804
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,800
I actually make these mistakes, too,

1805
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,880
and how I frame it, how I think.

1806
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,120
And so what I work to do

1807
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,360
is have empathy for everybody,

1808
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,480
not that that I have no tolerance

1809
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,480
for somebody doing something racist.

1810
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:50,960
Mm hmm.

1811
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,400
But I have empathy for understanding

1812
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,600
how that can happen and how we are all.

1813
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,680
Because to me, when

1814
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:59,640
we talk about prejudice

1815
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,400
and racism in general,

1816
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,360
almost think is the distinction

1817
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:02,920
without a difference,

1818
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,400
because it still has the same effect.

1819
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,080
What one has.

1820
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,480
Well, one will do is it

1821
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,560
will still keep people down

1822
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,880
because they have these beliefs

1823
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,120
and don't understand these beliefs

1824
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,440
because of being reinforced.

1825
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,600
So I just want to make sure that,

1826
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:16,920
you know, as we approach that,

1827
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,840
we have an understanding of it.

1828
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,960
So that's all that we talk about.

1829
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,040
Hey, I hear you. I mean, my empathy.

1830
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,040
If if you are not black,

1831
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,440
you call me the N-word

1832
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,880
in and I'll break it.

1833
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:28,480
Let's see.

1834
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,720
But they know. But they know.

1835
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:30,200
Here's the difference.

1836
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,960
Let me look at the drops.

1837
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:32,400
Right?

1838
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,440
My I don't so much that not even so much

1839
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,360
that they call me that

1840
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,440
this is not even the N-word,

1841
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,840
but they use certain terminology. Boy.

1842
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,520
Or something like that. That stuff is OK.

1843
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,320
We agree there. Right?

1844
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,160
You know what I mean?

1845
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,480
But most people not to do that.

1846
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,800
No, not like.

1847
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,120
No, no, no, no, no.

1848
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,280
They've gotten Inboden in the.

1849
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,360
Well, you I'm sorry.

1850
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,440
You are right. You are right.

1851
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,520
You are right. Nuh nuh, nuh, nuh nuh.

1852
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,920
Let me correct myself.

1853
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,920
Overt racism is definitely

1854
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,680
at its highest level. Right.

1855
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,760
Because but it's a different attitude.

1856
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,920
But I also think there's danger in saying

1857
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,720
that that is only racism,

1858
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:04,920
because I would say

1859
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,840
that was all about it.

1860
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,920
I'm just saying

1861
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,440
I know you didn't, as far as.

1862
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,520
when you talk about empathy and knowing

1863
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
how to empathize or understand

1864
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,800
why certain things are

1865
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,520
and I think often times

1866
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,240
we are too empathetic

1867
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,760
and we are too passive to laughing.

1868
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,280
Well, I agree.

1869
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,680
I agree with being too passive

1870
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,800
that instead of just saying, look, man,

1871
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,840
no, we not tolerate

1872
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,160
and this is no different

1873
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,640
than how we refer to ourselves.

1874
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,320
And I say this as as a black person,

1875
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,240
I don't use the N-word anymore.

1876
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:36,400
I have used it in times prior

1877
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,600
to, you know, growing up

1878
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:39,600
because I was ignorant.

1879
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,440
I didn't have a knowledge of self

1880
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,480
when I got older.

1881
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,720
And I got to acknowledge myself.

1882
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:46,400
I realize I'm not the N-word

1883
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,800
and it's not a term of endearment

1884
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,040
because God himself never refers.

1885
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,040
When you go to any book,

1886
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,520
the Koran, the Bible,

1887
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,520
whatever book you do

1888
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,040
feel like you want to name,

1889
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,840
you show me one passage

1890
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,840
and this is the time when man rotis.

1891
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:00,000
Right.

1892
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,920
So they could have easily slip that

1893
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:02,440
just like they try

1894
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,680
to slip the whole ham thing in,

1895
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,440
it could have easily slipped out.

1896
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,280
Yeah, but that goes to show you in

1897
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,360
that sees this as his sons or daughters

1898
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,480
or kings and queens or whatever.

1899
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,480
Then why do we see ourselves as that

1900
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,080
and why do we allow ourselves

1901
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,880
to be spoken to in that manner?

1902
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,080
Just like I told a couple of cousins

1903
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,160
among the female

1904
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,240
why I refer to each other as bitches.

1905
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:25,280
But then when I may call you

1906
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,720
that, you want to fight.

1907
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:26,880
Yeah,

1908
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,400
but then if another woman calls you

1909
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,560
that, it's supposed to be cool.

1910
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,520
We got a whole episode on that.

1911
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,000
That's funny.

1912
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,360
Yeah, I'm just you know,

1913
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,320
I'm just as an example,

1914
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,920
I don't want to get all too often,

1915
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:37,360
but I agree.

1916
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,280
Let me just as we wrap up

1917
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,600
this point, I'll just say that

1918
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,880
I agree with not with not

1919
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,440
being passed bust up,

1920
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,280
empathetic to me,

1921
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,240
it's about understanding.

1922
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:45,840
And then somehow

1923
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,680
you learn how to understand,

1924
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,000
so you learn how to beat them.

1925
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,520
And so like that's how I look at it.

1926
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,600
Absolutely right.

1927
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,200
So empathy is not

1928
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,000
I'm not saying that I'm not responding.

1929
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:54,560
I'm not saying I'm

1930
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,720
not responding like I'm understanding

1931
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,480
how a person gets there.

1932
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,760
But as I find the closest point

1933
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:01,280
that I want to go on,

1934
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,720
our last point here is that.

1935
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,280
People generally, right.

1936
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,360
Will, will, will will understand

1937
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,120
that someone caused you to be

1938
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,520
someone, calls you a boy.

1939
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,120
So when someone calls you the N-word,

1940
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,960
someone puts a cross

1941
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,160
and burns it up on your

1942
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,120
on your on your lawn.

1943
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,960
See, that is violent over aggressive

1944
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,640
action and racism.

1945
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:26,960
Like that's what that is.

1946
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,680
But there are all different levels.

1947
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,360
And and there and there

1948
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,880
and there are micro aggressions

1949
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,800
that I would argue are more harmful,

1950
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,360
because people believe

1951
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,280
it's the people that believe that

1952
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,080
I'm a good person.

1953
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,200
I'm give you this example

1954
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,280
from a technological book

1955
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,800
he said. Back in 1955, 60

1956
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,440
I don't know the year exactly

1957
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,640
of the small Pennsylvania town.

1958
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,520
And they wrote a letter to the government

1959
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:51,840
arguing against black people

1960
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,280
coming into their town.

1961
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,440
And this is what they said, Nick.

1962
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,440
Just hear me out here.

1963
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,600
They said, listen, government,

1964
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,600
we are good Christian going people,

1965
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,480
and, you know, we don't want any harm.

1966
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:04,320
We just don't want

1967
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,960
any black people in our neighborhood.

1968
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,280
Pause, right?

1969
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,920
They don't see they roll out this letter

1970
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,840
in the same letter.

1971
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:16,640
They didn't. They did.

1972
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,440
They didn't they couldn't

1973
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,960
put it together that like, OK,

1974
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:19,680
we don't necessarily

1975
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,600
want to do anything aggressive

1976
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:21,480
but we just don't

1977
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:22,880
want them in our neighborhood.

1978
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,760
So like they thought that

1979
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:25,480
what they were saying

1980
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,400
is, OK, now people nowadays,

1981
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,680
some people would say that, but there are

1982
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,960
there are all types of in-between

1983
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,120
where people believe, well,

1984
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,320
as long as I haven't said anything

1985
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,120
or I would call you the N-word,

1986
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,800
then I can't have any racism in me.

1987
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,280
So why are you mad at me?

1988
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,680
That's the danger that I had.

1989
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,200
So that's the reason

1990
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,760
why I have a more I have a bigger

1991
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,120
like a bigger definition.

1992
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,600
I think people need to say, OK, listen,

1993
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:46,760
unless you work at it,

1994
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:47,760
you're going to be racist,

1995
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,760
is what I tell people, because it's true.

1996
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,080
Like, unless you're going to work

1997
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,360
and get your prejudice,

1998
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,440
you're going to do things subconsciously,

1999
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,120
people, and you're going to do it

2000
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,720
just because it's the natural default.

2001
00:52:58,720 --> 00:52:59,440
So that's really the point

2002
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,280
I was trying to make in that.

2003
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,920
And that's why I mean, there's a

2004
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,520
there's a book I always will

2005
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,520
suggest is by a Akamatsu writer,

2006
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,360
better known as Stokely Carmichael,

2007
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,360
or formerly known as Stokely Carmichael

2008
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,360
and Charles Hamilton,

2009
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,200
where they talk about

2010
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,760
intellectualizing

2011
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,880
the integration of society

2012
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,920
and how if you don't

2013
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,200
study institutionalized racism,

2014
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,880
you would surely overlook racism.

2015
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,960
Yeah, exactly. Paraphrasing.

2016
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,440
But that's that's my point.

2017
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,880
Right. Exactly.

2018
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,080
So I understand it.

2019
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,280
Yeah, but I didn't discuss it

2020
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,160
like we did have to agree

2021
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,240
exactly on definitions,

2022
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,560
because it has some good possibility

2023
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:40,720
that it was not.

2024
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,000
And that's why I say

2025
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,280
I don't label everybody.

2026
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,560
Is that because the thing about it is

2027
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:46,960
there are some people out there

2028
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,000
that are willing to help

2029
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:48,920
and do what they need to do.

2030
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,120
You just have to realize

2031
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,560
where the help comes from,

2032
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:52,360
why they help it,

2033
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,400
and they get the help that you need

2034
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,440
to move on to the next level.

2035
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,560
And it is but this is another part of

2036
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,880
this is like there are

2037
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:58,800
and that's why I don't draw the line

2038
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,160
between good people and bad people

2039
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,680
like the environment

2040
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,360
you're in, in the situations

2041
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,480
that that you find yourself in.

2042
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,400
Well, you will find yourself

2043
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,320
doing things like

2044
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,400
one case in point that I always use

2045
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,120
is Nazi Germany.

2046
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,480
As Nazi Germany. Right.

2047
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,600
I was careful when I use this,

2048
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,520
but I'm very but I'm very specific upset.

2049
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:17,760
There are people in Nazi Germany

2050
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,320
that outside of that situation

2051
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,560
would not have gone

2052
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,240
along with everything. Right.

2053
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:23,040
They wouldn't have.

2054
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,600
But they were in a situation.

2055
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,360
And if you get to the situation,

2056
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:26,880
like if you

2057
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,440
if you're around an environment enough,

2058
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,360
the science shows

2059
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,160
that people that you're around

2060
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,160
literally rewire your brain.

2061
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,560
So you think that you can challenge

2062
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:37,560
the beliefs of people around you

2063
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,120
and some can, but is a lot harder to do

2064
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,960
than most people would have you believe.

2065
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,920
And you end up going

2066
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,000
with what the tribe does.

2067
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:45,840
And you just

2068
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,840
you just don't even see or choose

2069
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:48,960
to ignore the injustices

2070
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,120
or don't even realize

2071
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:50,800
that you're doing it.

2072
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,800
So I'll just I'll try to say

2073
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,720
is that like it's it's

2074
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:55,840
you have to work to be that person

2075
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:56,920
every single day.

2076
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,200
That's what I'm trying to say.

2077
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:58,920
We have to work.

2078
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,200
We have to work as black people to reject

2079
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,520
all all of the poison that's

2080
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,120
been put in the water

2081
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,520
and that's been passed down

2082
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,240
from generation to generation.

2083
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:11,360
I was just telling my mom the other day,

2084
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,880
like one of these statements

2085
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,520
where people say all the time is

2086
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:15,320
we have to work twice

2087
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,160
as hard to get half as much. Like, no.

2088
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,080
I want to work twice as hard

2089
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,120
and I expect twice as much, much work

2090
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:20,880
and really good it,

2091
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,000
because like you said earlier,

2092
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,200
it's value and we and we don't

2093
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,120
we have seen value in ourselves.

2094
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,520
We've seen value in what we do.

2095
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,560
And this is why we're able

2096
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,880
to get the opportunities

2097
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:31,840
that we've been able to

2098
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,400
that we've been able to get,

2099
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,280
not just because somebodys

2100
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,480
thrown us a bone, because we earn that.

2101
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,840
And that's why I always stressed,

2102
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,040
dude, I earned everything that I got

2103
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,960
in this industry.

2104
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:42,240
Yes.

2105
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:43,280
People have come along

2106
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,760
to help me from various backgrounds,

2107
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,440
gender orientation or whatever,

2108
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,520
but they are on

2109
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,760
because if I wasn't as dogmatic

2110
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,080
and as aggressive

2111
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,160
and as focused as I was,

2112
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,080
they would have never been able to see it

2113
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,880
, to say, hmm,

2114
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:01,800
maybe I could try to

2115
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,120
help this dude to get wherever, you know,

2116
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,920
you need to get to.

2117
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:07,800
They wouldn't have seen it

2118
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,240
because I wouldn't

2119
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:09,560
have been able to put in the work.

2120
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,600
Yep. Is a dog mentality?

2121
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,680
Absolutely. It's a dog mentality, bro.

2122
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,440
All right. Final two questions.

2123
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:16,840
This is this one to be a lot quicker.

2124
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,280
A committee of three who

2125
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,840
for a living or dead

2126
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,520
that advises you on life?

2127
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,600
Business. Personal.

2128
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:27,960
Tell me who these three people are

2129
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,400
and why doesn't that it could be

2130
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,280
it could be parents,

2131
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,280
it can be mentors,

2132
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,880
it can be historical figures.

2133
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,520
Who are these three people in? Why?

2134
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,800
Oh, that's a great question.

2135
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,600
I would have to say, let's see.

2136
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,320
One, definitely God rest

2137
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,600
his soul was a mentor

2138
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:49,360
and a friend of mine,

2139
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,040
Eric Wait, who actually got me

2140
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,200
into this business? OK.

2141
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,040
He had been he was a photographer,

2142
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:55,960
even shooting sports

2143
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,360
many, many years prior.

2144
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,400
And we met through a mutual friend.

2145
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:02,200
And he kind of just

2146
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:02,960
took me under his wing

2147
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:03,880
and said, look, man,

2148
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,640
I don't have all

2149
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,520
I don't have a world

2150
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,000
but a continent that I do have, you know,

2151
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,960
I'll I'll let you let you be a part of it

2152
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,240
and I'll show you the ropes.

2153
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:16,080
And he did that.

2154
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:16,800
I mean, he was truly

2155
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,160
is were a great guy

2156
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,040
overall, as I got to know him

2157
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:21,920
over the course of time

2158
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,040
before his untimely passing.

2159
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,440
And he was just one of the

2160
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,080
he used to give me a piece of advice

2161
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,000
and a stylistic range

2162
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:29,760
would be to this day.

2163
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,840
And he says, always stay connected.

2164
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:33,800
That was just always his saying,

2165
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,880
always stay connected.

2166
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,560
So that's one person

2167
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,640
of second person being my mom,

2168
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,720
just because I see the hard work

2169
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,160
that she does and

2170
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,760
the dedication that she does. And,

2171
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:45,960
you know, the heart that

2172
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,360
she has that I don't necessarily

2173
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,000
have all the time.

2174
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:49,320
Right.

2175
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,720
Because I'm, you know,

2176
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,920
being in society, I'm a little jaded.

2177
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,480
So I don't have that heart like that.

2178
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,800
I used to.

2179
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,880
But, you know, it's slowly growing back.

2180
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,160
But just her dedication, her focus.

2181
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,720
The third person.

2182
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,520
I would just say it's a plethora

2183
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:09,480
of people

2184
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,280
up close and from afar in this industry

2185
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,040
that have helped me

2186
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,760
along the way to share advice

2187
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,160
with me, showed me stuff, embraced me.

2188
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,840
There's way too many people to name.

2189
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,440
So I'll just say that group

2190
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,760
of people for the third

2191
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,120
that have really, you know, really had.

2192
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,000
What's the word I'm looking for impact?

2193
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,240
What is that? Yeah.

2194
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:37,200
Just had a significant

2195
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,720
impact in my life and still.

2196
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:40,960
All right.

2197
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,800
An important conviction you have or truth

2198
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,720
that most people

2199
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,560
would disagree with you on.

2200
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,920
Most people disagree with me.

2201
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:51,760
It's a hard question,

2202
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,960
I love to ask it, though,

2203
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:54,840
that I'm not sitting on

2204
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,640
a 500 million dollar company.

2205
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,880
Just hasn't come to fruition yet.

2206
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:01,760
All right. All right, I love that.

2207
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:02,640
All right.

2208
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,480
Final question

2209
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,960
you have what's a slogan or a

2210
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,040
or a billboard that stands for your life.

2211
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,960
What does that say and why?

2212
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,960
Slogan, a billboard.

2213
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:19,920
I think I said it earlier.

2214
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,280
Well, people show you what time it is,

2215
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,240
check your watch.

2216
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,040
Yeah, that's a good one.

2217
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,080
Yeah, that was a good one.

2218
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:24,880
So.

2219
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,200
Nick Hamilton, Nitecast v

2220
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,400
media brother, has been a pleasure.

2221
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,120
We had some really

2222
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,360
we had some fire conversation.

2223
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,600
And I can't wait to get this up

2224
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:31,880
and get this out.

2225
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:32,680
I mean, you know what?

2226
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,560
I can't wait. I appreciate you.

2227
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:35,640
Congratulations on all

2228
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:36,840
your success as well.

2229
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:37,920
Thank you again for having me

2230
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,480
on the platform. I greatly appreciate it.

2231
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,400
For those who might be interested,

2232
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,520
find me at nmedianitecastmedia.com,

2233
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,240
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2234
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,360
and on Twitter and @nickhamilton213

2235
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,640
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2236
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2237
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,040
We have all kinds of interviews

2238
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from the sports world

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entertainment, world politics,

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pop, culture, tech.

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We have some great interviews up there,

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so make sure you check them out.

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Subscribe.

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And we got more content come

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as Rob and I were talking earlier.

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We have so much going on today,

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and I could put it out

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every day for three weeks.

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All right, Nick, great to have you on.

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Thanks, Rob.

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ROB RICHARDSON

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“You just look at the maturation of people and that’s very inspiring.”

Nick Hamilton is the founder of Nitecast Media and a single father raising a young autistic son. He is an expert in balancing work and parenting, especially in maintaining a strong bond with your child. Nick founded Nitecast Media during the pandemic and has been in the journalism industry for over 10 years.  He has all the tips on how to build your business during the pandemic and staying in touch with current Entertainment demands. Nick’s dedication in empowering BIPOC journalists into action gives him the motivation and tools to handle the blockage of being a black entrepreneur in the media industry. Nick Hamilton is a dynamic media personality best known for his work on SIRIUS XM, SB Nation, NBC, AXS.com, Associated Press, and iHeartMedia. With an AA in Journalism and Communications from El Camino College, Nick quickly made a name for himself as a reporter and content creator.

Along with being in the field conducting interviews, filing stories, and exclusive video content, Nick worked to create his own media empire to expand coverage of stories mainstream news platforms refused to cover. From covering the CFB National Championship, Super Bowl LIII, ESPY Awards to Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards to becoming a member of Pro Football Writers of America and National Association of Black Journalists, Nick Hamilton is a media maven in sports and entertainment.

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ROB RICHARDSON

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Rob Richardson is the host of disruption Now Podcast and the owner of DN Media Agency, a full-service digital marketing and research company. He has appeared on MSNBC, America this Week, and is a weekly contributor to Roland Martin Unfiltered.

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