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it's okay we did this live and me
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sitting Carlton two days James we don't
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go with it we lad you glad you all could
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join us we want to talk about 846 which
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is Dave Chappelle's new special and I
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gotta say it's it's a great special it
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is not funny at all and that's really
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the point they wanted to get your
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attention he certainly got mine it was
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one of them it was you know Dave always
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has really powerful content and I think
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he kind of alluded to this a while back
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so in 2018 he said I think I got a few
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more specials in me and and he just said
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but I wanna and I want to quote James
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Baldwin he said you know God brought the
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know God brought Noah the water sign but
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it's gonna be fired next time and this
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time it was fired and he's been he's
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been more pointed every single time but
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this time is obviously unique moment in
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time and he was less of a comic and more
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of a commentator about the state of
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America where we're at and how we really
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got to this point and I really want to
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play one part of that of that if you
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haven't seen it by the way spoil alert
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we're going to talk about 846 if you
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haven't seen it well we want you to tune
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in to get our perspective but you may
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want to come back because we're gonna
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essentially spoil the whole thing for
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you if you haven't seen it but you
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wanted a few that haven't but you may
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want to watch it again anyway cuz you're
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gonna want to see it but we're gonna
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talk about it in detail so spoiler alert
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if you haven't seen it you may want to
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tune off for a little while but I want
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to play this clip you guys cuz I think
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it really kind of set the tone for
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really the whole thing and how he set it
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up because he kind of led up to it and
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it really just you could feel his anger
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and I was just really kind of play it
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and let others kind of hear it so let's
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put that up
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I think that kind of got to the point
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there and it really captured for me my
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anger and in a way that no one else
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really did what was I'll just go through
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the group and we could start with
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Carleton and just work our way down what
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was your take away from it in terms of
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what you felt with that with that moment
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and overall with with a special 8:46
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Carleton yeah I was I was surprised
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because like you said there really
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wasn't much humor in the entire video so
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that kind of caught me off guard but the
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way he paid at that picture really just
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kinda puts you back in that moment in a
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way that maybe you didn't even
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experience it when you watch the video
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and so it really just gave you a great
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visual for what actually happened and
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and and I think a lot of us probably
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felt rage and anger once again I think I
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felt a lot of anger listening to him say
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that because it it put it into words
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maybe what we were thinking in a better
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context and then we were able to do it
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ourselves so later on in that video he
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also mentioned that you know people take
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this coming from him a little
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differently because we trust him and I
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think that goes a long way when you're
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hearing this coming from a guy who
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turned down 50 million dollars because
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he put his principles above it all and
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so I think that gives a lot of validity
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to what he's saying and I think people
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should listen because he also said in
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the video as you get a little bit
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further on I tried to tell you about
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this before a number of times and so
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it's kind of prophetic and so I think we
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should probably listen up and I'm glad
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he put this out though and I think it
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was excellent video yeah ameesha when he
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sat that point who what are you trying
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to signify who are you talking to that
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really that really like gave me chills
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because I did feel as if that officer
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and those officers were trying to
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communicate something not only to him
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but to what they thought of black people
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in this country what's your thought I
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think
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absolutely and and to Carlson's point a
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moment ago I don't think that Dave
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Chappelle did this to be funny I don't
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think that he set out for this to be a
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funny moment he was getting very wrong
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he was getting very real and I think
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those were very strong emotions that he
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fell in the immediacy of watching the
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video which he said that he didn't watch
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you know immediately after it happened
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it took a little bit for him to actually
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come to grips with watching it but I
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also felt as though this was someone who
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had seen that level of pain before and
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he goes through all of those
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circumstances and names off other people
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and I think that it's very important
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that it be recognized that he does in
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his own way describe how problematic
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this is and how it's been problematic
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for a really long time and he also
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points to the fact that you know these
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officers too had mentioned that they did
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not care there was no humanity that was
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seen in how and how everything went down
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and that you know this is something that
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needs to be elevated and I think that
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within that special he was able to weave
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together so many different things at
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once from the you know and I love
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humanity to the processes at which we've
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seen come to play year after year after
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year and dead body after dead body to
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those who have been criticizing those
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have been criticizing the response to
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George Floyd's death and I think that
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you know he did a very strong job of
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that and again to Carlton's point there
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was there was something there where
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people differently when they heard it
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coming from someone like him I think
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that there are a lot of people who
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expected entertainers to step up and
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step up mean something different for
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different people but what we saw from
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him honestly was a black man who was
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speaking as a black man I think he took
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off the cake clubbed him as a celebrity
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and said this is this is something that
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is a problem within our community as a
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black man he has certain feelings
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towards it and I think that that
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resonated with a lot of people yeah I
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think that's a good point James when you
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think about this when he said it's for
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all of it is not just one cop is not
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just one incident this is a collective
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grievance and that's what's going on
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what what's your what's your takeaway
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from that moment in terms of the
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collective kind of impact and trauma
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that I think people are are really
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expressing right now in the streets well
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it when you see something like that
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occur
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over a period of time a period of time
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of indifference a period of time of
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inflicting pain and ultimately death on
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another human being
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it's almost representative you know of
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the the 400 years the 500 years that
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black folks have been here you know this
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wasn't a pop pop and a guy is dead and
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you process that you get upset about
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that but this was slow this was
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deliberate and this was callous and so
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it really can be analogized to the
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experience that that black folks for you
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and I want to say that what Chappelle
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did which I thought was very helpful in
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terms of just people for people to see
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and for people that to process this is
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that we all know images are very
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powerful part of the reason why this was
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something that did affect that a lot of
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people was because of the image but
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there's also a lot of power in being
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able to put things into words
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put feelings put thoughts put put
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emotion into words and Chappell was
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really good at that and that's what he
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did here and so like Carlin said like
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this almost can bring back or even and
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cause even more anger rage but as you
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process this thing the way he the way he
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brought it out the way he described it
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is was just it was very powerful and
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then like I said the the fact that it's
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long it's slow its callous it's it's you
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know hand in the pocket you know that
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that really I think you can draw an
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analogy in terms of how the the
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oppression of african-americans has been
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in America it's been long it's been slow
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it's been callous it's been indifferent
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to humanity and and I mean I touched a
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lot of people today what was your
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thoughts at this I mean you you like to
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give us our the breakdown of the other
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professor but give us your give us your
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take away I think I think actually you
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know Dave Chappelle is most aligned with
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you he's the comedian that breaks down
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and also provides history what are you
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thinking this and I thought it was it
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was what you guys are saying I think it
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was powerful for the fact that it was
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a comedy sketch like you guys are saying
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I wasn't sure of what I was gonna see
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and in typical as a Dave Chappelle fan
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in general you know I thought okay I'm
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going to see him a stand-up of some sort
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and of course it was a stand-up delivery
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but it wasn't funny
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in terms of his regular comedy style and
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I think you know you guys alluded to it
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he's spoken about this stuff already in
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some of his stand-up acts and it made me
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realize you know it's like some of that
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tragic comedy stuff that sometimes he's
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funny but it's like this sad because
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it's funny sad because it's true type of
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thing but for me and I think what Jimmy
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just said made me realize something and
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I wrote down notes when I was just one
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looking at you I watched it when he
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talked about his first experience in
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California going through an earthquake
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and how scary that was for him and then
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he said that it lasted all about 35
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seconds but he wasn't sure if he was
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going to live or not and that that's
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what made me process this whole thing
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different going back to Jimmy's words
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because it made me realize what he was
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doing is helping us really find a way to
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live what George Floyd as close as we
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possibly could I'm sure some sort of
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different feeling of what he may have
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felt and I'm not even saying what he did
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feel because we'll never know but the
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idea that this guy you know Dave
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Chappelle described how scary it was
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going through an earthquake and he kind
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of was talking about it and I like you
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know my head thing and [ __ ] you know
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sounds pretty bad then he says this
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lasted all about 35 seconds and then he
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reminded us that it was eight minutes
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and 46 seconds that this guy had his
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neck crushed so it just made me kind of
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think like wow man as scary as it must
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have been being an earthquake that's
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nothing compared to what George boy went
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to so that you know put things in a
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different perspective for me as much as
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I didn't think I could have a different
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perspective after seeing what we've all
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seen yeah yeah that actually makes sense
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I mean I you know when you think about
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the other parts of this and I really it
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was really interesting when he
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attacked celebrities not attacks
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liveries are the right word I think he
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attacked Don Lemon for Don Lemon
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description of you returned fire to Don
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Lemon he returned he did return fire and
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I think he made a lot of good points the
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fact is people don't trust celebrities
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like that people don't trust
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institutions and I think what you're
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seeing right now is not only a
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collective frustration but you're also
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seeing from my point of view a lot of
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people don't have faith in the system in
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general what's your thoughts on that
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omission what do you think well it's
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also given the streets power and I was
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so praising God that it was something
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that was called out because there have
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been organizers in cities across America
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who've been doing this work for decades
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there have been organizers who are on
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the ground when cameras aren't there
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organizers for making for that their
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community is presenting policies and
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platforms that make sense
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to move us forward into police brutality
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of course it doesn't take a celebrity to
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sign onto a letter or get on CNN MSNBC
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or anywhere else or an Instagram page
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and start shouting out in justices Hill
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the people who live in those communities
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did every day and do the work on the
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ground so I think that it's high time
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for us to give credibility to the people
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whose backs have been broken from this
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work who are the folks who are putting
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everything together it's as shameful in
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my opinion that the call out is always
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to celebrities because it makes it sound
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like celebrities are the only people who
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can move an agenda forward and matter of
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fact when it comes to when it comes to
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progress when it comes to protest the
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folks who've always moved the agenda
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forward were the people who were in the
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weeds and we're dealing with it every
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day yes it's cool to have a celebrity
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cosign and say hey you know I stand by
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this donate your money to the cause but
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we don't need them to be the people who
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are the amplifiers of the voices the
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hundreds of thousands of people who have
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aligned and are protesting in cities
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across America and across the globe
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quite frankly aren't people who are led
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by the Beyonce's of the world they are
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people who are led by NFL athletes they
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are people who are led by actors and
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actresses Grammy winners Oscar winners
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they are individuals who live in the
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communities that are hurt the most I
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think those are the people who need to
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be leading this movement
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I completely agree and and really when
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Don Lemon was looking to say well why
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are Y
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celebrities doing enough and some
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celebrities are doing their part but at
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the end of the day I think Dave
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Chappelle said these streets have it
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these streets are speaking clearly and I
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do think though there's something to not
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having trust cuz he talked about people
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trust him because he is authentic he did
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turn down 50 million dollars he speaks
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from his she speaks from his mind
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whether you agree with him or not you
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know a lot of people don't do that most
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people speak to what's in their interest
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at that moment and at that time I do I
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want to go to learn about the James on
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this you know there was an article out
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of the New York Times I think is
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relevant to talking about institutional
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trust the last time in this country
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where we really went through a big I
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guess kind of like revolution was when
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we changed to do to really think about
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the civil rights movement and move
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forward there and we got a lot of black
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representation but from this New York
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Times article I think it makes a good
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state I mean it makes a really good
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point do people feel like they have any
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real connection to those who are in
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power that they're actually make a
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difference well it's black folks are in
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that way similar to large parts of
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America where the leadership in charge
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is more disconnected from the average
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people or the people to working people
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than ever the leadership have certain
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interests in charge you know that
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they're interested in in advancing and
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those generally are not the interests of
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the masses I think it's it's a positive
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development though because what we need
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actually is the streets after wanting
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you know the the people have to want it
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the leadership can't make you want it
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the leadership really can't deliver it
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if they're not beholden if they're not
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put there by those the people you know
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when the leadership is beholden to the
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moneyed interests when the leadership is
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beholden to the few then of course
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they're too going to give lip service to
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the many but not represent their
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interest so the fact that people are
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taking a more active role and forcing
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people in charge to either serve their
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interests or to get out of there is
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ultimately a positive development like
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the whole hero complex is not gonna get
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us there you know
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we just can't wait on somebody to show
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up and just make all the problems go
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away yeah there are no Superman
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superwoman and actually they Chappelle
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made a point of that in his show of
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saying that you know there black people
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are looking for superheroes we're we're
15:17
done with that complex to day what was
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your thoughts on that and it's been an
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interesting probably two weeks for me
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this this past a little bit because I
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guess you know let's let's let's
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identify the fact that today is the
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third week to the day since George
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George Floyd's murder so this is all
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still pretty fresh and I've been having
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some very intimate and open and good
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conversations with white friends of mine
15:45
white folks in my kind of circle and
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professionally and personally and it's
15:49
interesting last week I was invited to
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speak to a group of Israelis one of my
15:56
good friends is Israeli so they have a
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group that they meet every week and it
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was about 20 folks on zoom' all the
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boxes and going back to the celebrity
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comment from Chappelle I think it's
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actually very important that and it's
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good that there haven't been celebrities
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that were out front because what I
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noticed in these conversations I've been
16:18
having while I bring it up is because a
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lot of the people I talked to their
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sources of information or a lot of
16:25
outlets on the right and not to get into
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the kind of political right-left stuff
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but there's been a lot of deflection and
16:32
as good friends James calls it emotional
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exit lamps that are being sought in this
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time people are feeling like they need
16:40
to have you know the good guys and bad
16:42
guys and the protagonists and
16:44
antagonists and all that yes Oh what I'm
16:46
finding is this Chaz movement in Seattle
16:49
or an Tifa or someone as always they'll
16:52
want you know it's always another group
16:54
that's kind of causing this and it's not
16:57
the black people you know that really
16:59
want this type of thing well and beyond
17:02
that I want to take that point because
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they just leads it to an another good
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point about Candice Owens he brought you
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know Candice Owens he talked about her
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for a reason not the fact she's a
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conservative that's not the problem with
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this the problem with what she said is
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like to look for a way to make people
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feel better about what happened to give
17:20
them their best things she says exit
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ramp yeah and so like talking about that
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Jesus what do they say she's the
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smartest idiot that's the funny she's
17:36
dangerous to this point to this point
17:38
and we need to talk about this she I
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believe that video I normally don't like
17:42
to give that any type of error but the
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fact is so many people are following
17:46
this I mean the president also retweeted
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her economy yeah I mean yeah there's no
17:51
help to amplify them quite a bit no
17:53
questions but it's 100 million 100
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million people I think have seen her
17:57
video something something just
17:58
astronomical and my hope is some of
18:01
those people are just trolling but at
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the end of the day some people want to
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believe that so they have so they're
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able to express themselves in a way
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through her that they normally wouldn't
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say to maybe one of us there's an ethos
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in this country and we've seen on the
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Africa saga where there is an unarmed
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black man killed where there's always
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this tendency of Asians who have a habit
18:23
of trying to figure out what in this
18:25
man's past would have somehow been used
18:27
to make him a criminal instead of a
18:30
victim of his own murder
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so she's following a trajectory we've
18:33
seen time and time in whether they're
18:35
talking about the teenager who got shot
18:37
who was caught with weed when they were
18:40
13 and this is how many years later or
18:42
than they're talking about petty theft
18:44
that happened 20 years ago and now
18:46
somebody is unarmed and they get shot
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we've seen this happen regardless of who
18:50
the black man who is who is killed in an
18:53
unarmed situation and I think that she
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to you know perpetuate that same
18:57
ideology by going through this man's rap
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sheet none of which had anything to do
19:01
with the nothing question all of which
19:03
he had previously we know that he had a
19:07
criminal record that was not different
19:08
however it had absolutely nothing to do
19:10
with the encounter he had on that night
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and I think that what she did in doing
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that was play these long strokes that
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we've seen time and time again of trying
19:19
to make victims seem less like a victim
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yep yeah that I think honestly what you
19:24
touched on here even as I'm listening to
19:26
you guys speak I'm really getting angry
19:28
you know
19:29
almost the point I want to get off this
19:31
because I don't want to say the wrong
19:32
thing but we talked about this in the
19:35
show yeah we spoke about this last week
19:39
and we spoke about this before Dave
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Chappelle came out and one of my
19:44
comments was just stop sending me that
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video of Candace oh and stop sending me
19:49
what she's saying because when you start
19:51
to look at her it's really kind of an
19:55
insult to our intelligence and it's an
19:57
insult to the intelligence of people
19:58
that are sharing her because she's not
20:00
sincere and when you start to break down
20:03
her past you'll easily find and discover
20:06
that she's insincere what she's saying
20:08
and that she is a person who will say
20:12
anything and do anything just to get
20:14
acceptance in this new crowd that she's
20:16
found and it equals you know economic
20:18
gain for her and Harlan it's Carlton
20:22
that mindset of get you elected
20:24
president yeah it is extremely
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infuriating and and and I don't know why
20:34
it's not more obvious these people but
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yeah you are right it's it's people are
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being given a voice to say things that
20:40
they otherwise we're biased that they
20:41
want to believe one of the right that
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they want to believe that he was that
20:45
that cop had a good reason to sit on his
20:48
neck with his knee for nearly nine
20:51
minutes there was no good reasonable
20:53
walk it goes back to also what you're
20:56
saying about this is not just about
20:58
George Floyd and people need to
21:00
understand it it's not this is not
21:02
really about George Floyd at all
21:04
George Floyd was is the the right place
21:07
in the right time you know and that's it
21:13
all the right places right time for this
21:15
movement because when people say that
21:19
what they're thinking four years ago I
21:21
was a subset ten years ago I was a
21:24
subset fifteen years ago and I'm sure
21:26
for my dad it was you know 60 and so
21:28
people don't understand it I think this
21:30
is about George boy this is not about
21:31
George bullying at all I just what now
21:34
go ahead man I'm sorry yeah this is just
21:36
this is just the tipping point and and
21:39
and I think I don't know how to get that
21:41
across to people
21:42
you know and sometimes I'm worried we
21:44
need to move past Floyd right now my
21:51
media is not picking up on it people in
21:52
the movement have said it 5,000 times
21:54
over this is a bigger than torch boy the
21:56
media acquainted as the George boy
21:57
protects people who know navona hold our
22:00
head they've actually been gated it over
22:01
and over again and nobody is listening I
22:03
don't understand what you guys expect
22:05
there's two sides whether both are
22:07
operating in good faith there's two
22:09
sides of everything there is a market
22:11
for people who want to feel better about
22:15
the fact that a cop sat on the guys and
22:18
their need and into a guy's neck for
22:20
eight of more than eight and a half
22:21
minutes until he died they are there's a
22:23
market of people who want to feel better
22:25
about that who do want to feel like that
22:28
at minimum the who's this happened to as
22:31
a bad person
22:32
so Candace Owens just fill in that
22:33
market you know like that's like there
22:35
are plenty of people other people are be
22:36
mad at her because she's black like I
22:38
don't I don't get the Shirley like it's
22:41
just like yes the president of united
22:47
states is simplifying it now she was
22:51
crazy that's the game cuz you know that
22:54
happens that's the game
22:56
wake up that's the game but what a
22:58
horrible ribbony but what a horrible
23:00
game it is and as Chappelle said that
23:03
the way the way you make your money is
23:05
that you're rooted in self fate because
23:07
she is black I mean looks that way and
23:09
so and so you're willing to just take
23:12
away the humanity of a man simply
23:14
because you want to make a little more
23:16
money yeah that's the game that's the
23:17
game where we're trying to put it into
23:18
I'm trying to put him into you know Rob
23:20
man this is capitalism man yeah there's
23:22
a lot of people to do a lot of things
23:23
well I get it but like don't get me
23:25
wrong I'm like I like defendant Kiki
23:29
miss Owens no I'm sure I'm more
23:31
surprised at how much people are fixated
23:33
on her I'm just like yo there's a bunch
23:35
of people like that they do this all the
23:37
time because the president isn't
23:39
retweeting all of their history to some
23:41
of them but the president the problem is
23:44
the president is smart enough to know
23:46
that when he retweets someone like her
23:48
it against it serves the purpose
23:52
you know being an emotional exit ramp
23:55
for many people that need one right now
23:57
exactly also have not called it out
24:02
because to their credit there are people
24:03
on the right who have shut her down and
24:05
media yeah yes oh but one thing I want
24:08
to just touch on this because Jimmy
24:10
makes a great point what's going back to
24:11
the Chappelle show he mentions the other
24:13
another name that we've known over the
24:16
last ten years with all this stuff
24:17
because Jim Jimmy's right about a market
24:20
at the end it and unfortunately there is
24:23
a market of people who and I don't know
24:27
just say blacks right there's a market
24:29
of people who want to see child
24:31
pornography there's a market of people
24:33
who like to see murders he does remember
24:35
faces of death and those videos and we
24:37
were young so there are a market of
24:39
people that like to see or or like to
24:42
know that bad things are being done to
24:44
other groups of people blacks being one
24:46
of them and the name that jaw that
24:49
Chappell nor Zimmerman was George
24:52
Zimmerman yeah and it reminded me
24:53
because he said how he was signing
24:55
skittle bags like autographing them and
24:57
why that's important disc as everybody
24:58
remembers Trayvon Martin who was fifteen
25:01
years old was dead that was skittles in
25:03
a memory oh yes a guy who we all heard
25:07
the conversation with the 911 one
25:09
dispatcher he said this kid is in my
25:12
neighborhood he's calling 9-1-1 so he's
25:15
calling law enforcement she said don't
25:18
pursue him we have a car on the way blah
25:20
blah blah this guy went out of his way
25:22
to be a hero for reasons of that were in
25:25
his head the kid you know was was
25:28
apparently not supposed to be there he's
25:29
staying with his dad he's unarmed this
25:32
guy because he's a black kid said that
25:35
he's a burglar and he shouldn't be in my
25:38
neighborhood he went in for confronted
25:40
the kid and like Chappelle says when he
25:42
got was getting his ass kicked
25:44
then he pulls a gun and shoots the kid
25:46
he gets off because of the law that's
25:49
where the systemic nature of this stuff
25:50
it's not because the kid was black yes
25:52
but but that's all I'm saying so in the
25:54
end his firearm still sold at an auction
25:58
for 250,000 the thing about that
26:01
somebody pay was funded his whole
26:02
defense was funded by people that
26:06
Hannity who I'll call out was so quick
26:09
to try and defend him on TV and again
26:11
that's my point Sean Hannity has every
26:13
right to have a show and all that the
26:15
point is when these things happen we see
26:17
there's a certain percentage of people
26:19
that immediately try and defend the
26:21
killer and find the reason why the guy
26:24
that's dead was bad and my point is is
26:27
that for that gun to be auctioned off
26:28
for quarter-million dollars means there
26:31
is a market for this like Jimmy sale
26:32
people that like seeing that I agree I
26:35
don't want yeah I have a question for
26:37
you guys though this is what I
26:38
understand um you know we're we're all
26:40
approximately and it's the same age
26:42
group but they gather than ameesha and I
26:44
think you know being 40 we remember we
26:47
can remember older times that we can
26:48
remember newer times unlike a lot of
26:50
people these days because we're kind of
26:52
right in the middle and and my question
26:54
is obviously we all believe in freedom
26:57
of speech here but also we are we're
27:00
quick to admit that freedom of speech
27:01
also comes with consequences my question
27:04
is why don't people like this
27:06
have any fear of the consequences of
27:09
their speech anymore well the
27:11
consequence is financial but she's
27:13
weighing she to cost what I'm saying
27:21
though in a time where so many of us
27:23
have taken to the streets to show our
27:26
displeasure of what's going on our anger
27:28
why is it that they feel safe to speak
27:31
like that and what should they be
27:33
allowed to feel safe because typically
27:35
like I said we believe in First
27:37
Amendment but our voice and our words
27:39
come with consequences it's has some
27:42
consequences so let's so let's let's be
27:44
clear right we've seen that her go fund
27:46
me page has been shut down so parts of
27:48
parts of our platform have been taken
27:50
away which is a good thing we've seen
27:53
Fox News with Tucker Carlson who said
27:55
some racist comments about the
27:57
protesters essentially calling them
27:59
enemy combatants or some crazy you have
28:01
to go look I don't watch don't watch Fox
28:03
News but he lost a bunch of ads for it
28:05
so yes there is a there's a James Point
28:08
there's a marketplace for you to say
28:09
this you also expect a response back and
28:11
that response back has helped has helped
28:14
her lose money so we do have to keep
28:16
making sure that we at least push back
28:18
we see that she is giving these
28:20
opportunities in trying to exploit
28:21
someone's humanity just to make some
28:23
money and I'm with you on that like
28:25
boycott her but I don't understand why
28:26
people are so mad about it it's like
28:28
there are a thousand people on Facebook
28:31
or on television talking worse stuff
28:34
just like a lot larger
28:40
so it's because you because you think
28:41
she's good that you don't like her
28:42
they're like her being good it has
28:45
something to do with the fact that she
28:46
has such a salient Halloween yes there
28:48
are some crazies who are touting all
28:49
kinds of stuff on Facebook Twitter ham
28:51
and everything else she has a very
28:54
sizable following in the millions that
28:56
is global she also is writing books she
29:00
also like it's not just the same as
29:01
somebody who tweets all crazy stuff like
29:03
you have to give her the credibility to
29:05
the extent that she is somebody who a
29:07
ton of people follow and I'm saying that
29:09
if she wasn't doing it it'd be somebody
29:11
else like that that's just you know
29:14
somebody make it trying to make that
29:16
point when there's dollars to be had and
29:18
I mean to me you just use like yo she's
29:21
wrong here's why she's wrong yeah I'm
29:23
saying she's messed up because she's
29:25
doing this for money just like but again
29:27
so is everybody else you know like it at
29:29
least when they're making Craig crazy
29:30
points like that you know I think I
29:32
think you okay I think you give her too
29:33
much power when you point to her like
29:35
this beacon that is all she's the reason
29:38
all this is so wrong and it's like we
29:40
didn't say that we just said the fact
29:41
that so couple point to them Dave
29:43
Chappelle did 27 minutes special and he
29:46
talked about her so hard to get her
29:48
power when you do that yeah and he
29:50
talked about her but she has power this
29:52
just is not like they're different more
29:54
though your that's not like saying it
29:55
but the fact is people need to know when
29:57
these things are wrong and why they're
29:59
wrong and Dave Chappelle reaches a
30:01
diverse enough audience we know that we
30:04
know that the people on the right were
30:05
raving about one of his last ones okay
30:07
some of them are like them in he needs
30:09
to let ethic is it was powerful for him
30:11
to use his platform to say why this was
30:13
not okay that probably shocked some some
30:15
of them at least made some people think
30:17
because I know it makes some people that
30:18
I know that are on the right a lot of
30:19
issues really think I think that that is
30:21
worth that because some people call her
30:24
out I think most fixation on it I just
30:28
just it people seem to get really mad
30:30
I'm just like yo there's a million
30:32
people money know what James James as
30:35
someone who's really active though on
30:37
social media man I you know when you get
30:40
30 40 different people sending you this
30:42
video of Candace Ont yeah I can I can't
30:46
control that so I'm just getting really
30:49
sick of it and and you know I just don't
30:52
like people like that feel uncomfortable
30:54
enough to really just go out casually
30:57
doing that when it has this kind of
30:59
impact especially right now in our
31:01
country when we need I don't care who
31:03
you are what you believe we need healing
31:06
right now we need positivity right now
31:08
know the people that she's speaking to
31:10
don't want healing man they want to do
31:13
they want a pat on the back you know
31:15
they want to say yeah it wasn't your
31:16
fight and actually want to go to another
31:18
point of the of the of the 8:46 but I
31:21
just want to end on this point that
31:22
you're right those those folks don't
31:24
want that James our goal is to make
31:26
those folks feel isolated they should
31:28
feel like correct yes like so they
31:31
should be they are isolated from civil
31:33
discourse in a society where human
31:35
beings have you don't like like dignity
31:39
they are they don't believe in that
31:41
stuff you say and they're trying to
31:42
impose a whole nother order on us and we
31:44
at the beetle but the goal is to make
31:47
sure people realize that because her
31:49
type I'll say she does a very good job
31:51
of making it seem like she's making a
31:54
reasonable point but is really out to do
31:57
something nefarious which is really
31:58
dehumanized and really perpetuate white
32:01
supremacy and racism and people need but
32:03
everybody I don't think has I won't
32:05
bring it down as easy as you do I do
32:06
think some people just want to believe
32:07
that and then I think some people don't
32:09
understand the default that is going in
32:10
their brain there and that is where I
32:12
think people have to I don't like I
32:14
don't share her stuff I normally don't
32:16
talk about her to because I had this
32:17
debate with Roland Martin but I think he
32:19
makes a decent point that you got to
32:20
make sure people understand why this is
32:22
not okay what she's doing is not an
32:24
intellectual exercise all of it is about
32:27
her making money at the expense of other
32:29
people sue me and just really since when
32:32
since women is that the decent thing to
32:34
do across the board for anybody to speak
32:36
of the dead like that no matter no
32:38
matter what side you're on when is that
32:40
okay you know it's never okay but she
32:42
doesn't care cuz about the money but I
32:43
want to move on to this point
32:44
you know good something that she said
32:46
that they can move on to to another
32:48
point it's talking about George Floyd
32:50
himself and while he wasn't you know
32:52
people she tried to make him out not to
32:54
be a perfect victim whatever that means
32:56
the point is he was chosen because he
32:58
may not have been whatever the central
33:00
figure but he was a catalyst at the at
33:03
the he was at the right he was at the
33:05
wrong teams at the wrong place at the
33:06
wrong time but it was the right moment
33:08
in terms of moving the really pushing
33:11
people forward because I think he had a
33:13
lot of things coping 19 people having
33:15
nothing else to do people just being fed
33:17
up already mad and a whole bunch of
33:19
other events right before this mater
33:21
Bree yeah Brianna Taylor yeah I'm a
33:24
figure of so I can't remember there's a
33:25
lot of other incidents that happen back
33:27
to back to back to back to back to back
33:29
that people saw and it just got to a
33:31
point where just people couldn't ignore
33:32
it so so he kind of ditched so I think I
33:36
think there was a catalyst there and
33:38
what I really appreciated was something
33:40
that he really made a point that I would
33:42
not have really thought about Chris
33:44
Dorner I want to talk about that the
33:47
officer the former officer with LAPD and
33:51
if you don't know who he is you should
33:53
look him up long story bearable he had a
33:55
grievance against the LAPD because of he
33:58
filed a complaint against one of his
34:01
co-workers for excessive force after
34:04
filing that complaint he ended up being
34:06
fired now the LAPD argues there are many
34:10
other reasons why he was fired it wasn't
34:12
because of that but anyway he he felt he
34:15
felt this is talking about Chris Dorn he
34:16
felt he went through the right systems
34:18
and then he just went psycho ended up
34:20
killing officers family and doing a
34:23
bunch of horrible things and you should
34:26
all look up the story but eventually
34:28
four hundred cops went up on him and you
34:31
know annihilated him essentially and
34:34
George you know Dave Chappelle's point
34:38
was why can't you understand that people
34:41
are said the way when they see a black
34:43
when I see a black man's life being
34:44
sucked away out of them that's how they
34:46
were mad just like officers were mad
34:48
when one when when when people were
34:50
attacking one of their own I mean I
34:52
think I've made a good point of seeing
34:54
the humanity and really trying to make
34:56
people understand it from there
34:57
what was your takeaway from that I
34:59
thought it was very it was it was right
35:01
to the point
35:02
probably controversial but what you guys
35:04
thought nobody wants to take that out
35:09
people often forget that case because it
35:12
was a few years ago but there was a lot
35:14
of credibility given and there was also
35:16
a rally around the flag type situation
35:18
when it happened from black people and
35:20
white people which was during the time
35:22
because it was Oh somebody's taking it
35:23
full-out assault on police officers so
35:26
now we all have to align that this is
35:27
wrong and try to find this guy and even
35:29
though the excessive use of firepower
35:31
that was involved when he was actually
35:33
taken out
35:34
nobody really second-guessed or
35:36
questioned it because they felt as
35:38
though someone had attacked so many
35:41
officers that it was justified and I
35:44
think that once they actually found his
35:45
his manifesto a lot more questions were
35:48
raised but I found it interesting that
35:50
this was something that was put in 8:46
35:52
anyway because it was a good tie into
35:56
how how distant people can be when it
36:00
comes to their level of understanding
36:01
exactly that has been aggrieved and a
36:04
group that is extremely hurting that was
36:06
one incident one incident where cops
36:09
felt like oh my god where it's had you
36:11
go back to the black community black men
36:13
and black women have been killed by
36:14
police over generations all day every
36:17
day is sometimes day in anger that's a
36:22
rough one to cover men with tread
36:24
lightly with that I do remember that
36:26
that story vividly man but I find it
36:31
hard because what you're kind of asking
36:32
is why people don't take these things
36:34
more seriously and I go right to do it
36:38
like why can't they see the equivalent
36:39
it was obviously a horrible act I mean I
36:41
go to do them so is this yeah and i go
36:43
to i go to Dylann roof when it comes to
36:45
this to contrast because that stuck in
36:50
my head for a long time and it comes up
36:53
now how the lack of reaction people had
36:58
to that situation in that church I don't
37:01
know if you remember that I think
37:03
everybody remembers the Dylan roof who
37:05
shot nine people pray with them and
37:08
killed them all after insurance what I
37:09
remember
37:10
than anything was how it really wasn't a
37:13
big deal if CNN really wasn't covering
37:15
like that it really wasn't a big deal
37:17
it's a lot of people people these people
37:19
who don't sympathize and want to bring
37:21
up the character of George Floyd or all
37:24
of these people were the same people
37:26
that that had no sympathy or empathy for
37:29
the grandmother in the church and he's
37:31
innocent people that were praying and
37:33
and and they so that's that's what
37:36
really gets me mad so what but you know
37:39
what really get on that with Carlton
37:41
room yeah I was gonna I was gonna move
37:42
to you what really gets me on that case
37:44
is also the difference in treatment from
37:46
between and that's what really upset
37:50
that I can barely have you Scott right
37:52
today the the because Carlton brings up
37:56
some great points I think that um the
37:58
the silence is deafening you know that
38:03
term when it comes to these people being
38:05
quiet about something like Dylan roof
38:07
and I think you know not to be sound so
38:09
bombastic here but the reality is to
38:13
everything like Carlton said you know
38:14
and and who alluded to by Chappell that
38:17
when even the cops got him right they
38:20
show up with the guns no one he killed
38:21
nine people but then the cop puts the
38:24
gun in his holster to open the kid's
38:26
door and then I remember seeing on the
38:27
news they took him to friggin Burger
38:28
King because he said he was hungry and I
38:31
think that's another area where people
38:33
like all of us on the screen here and
38:35
every other black person whose country
38:37
sees like even the kid that was shot in
38:40
Atlanta you know recently yeah he
38:43
obviously had a scuffle with the cops it
38:45
was definitely not a George Floyd moment
38:48
a little bit more heated in the moment
38:51
situation but he was still killed
38:53
running away and you got a guy that's
38:56
picked up after they knew he killed nine
38:59
people and I think to Carlton's point
39:01
and I hate to sound like this but I
39:04
think one that that cop must have showed
39:08
up and knew that he killed nine black
39:09
people at a church he must have not felt
39:11
threatened by the kid right he must have
39:13
thought in his mind I just not he just
39:16
killed some black people I was gonna say
39:17
like that but that sounds worse I don't
39:19
want to put that in the cops
39:21
but he might have said well he killed
39:23
them cuz they're black and I'm not black
39:25
so I'm probably not at risk and I think
39:27
that speaks alone or or or he just saw
39:30
the humanity in this person remember is
39:34
that he had the weapon still on him with
39:37
no and that's why it's where do you
39:41
think somebody on the threat or a kid or
39:42
whatever for black men to be shot in the
39:45
back without a weapon at all and this
39:47
guy literally just shot how many people
39:49
in a church and still has the weapon on
39:51
it but that's my point is any type of
39:54
threat but that's my point when I guess
39:57
they can find a way to dis to that point
40:00
in today let you finish they can find a
40:01
way to disarm him without killing him
40:04
just like the what's the other brother's
40:05
name in Chicago I know you know what's
40:07
the day that was just kill well but why
40:10
don't we just come out why don't we just
40:12
kind of them say that it's a lot of
40:13
hypocrisy in terms of the way that
40:15
people act if you look at Chris Dorner
40:17
if you look at Dylan roof all that it's
40:19
hypocrisy it's not consistent people are
40:21
not being treated fairly one based on
40:24
the way they look
40:25
some people are treated more
40:27
aggressively with less empathy any
40:30
training as far as how to dis deep
40:32
defuse a situation how the de-escalate
40:35
goes out the window with one set of
40:37
people with another set of people all of
40:39
that stuff comes into play let's just
40:41
say cuz that's what it is now the point
40:44
being we got to move week we got to
40:45
figure out a way to do better and we
40:47
need to expect more from our police
40:48
officers bottom line you know like if
40:51
the state if they're gonna be officers
40:53
of the state if they're gonna be
40:54
authorized and armed by the US tax
40:59
dollars you know to US taxpayer or
41:02
whatever state taxpayer or whatever then
41:04
we need to expect more from them I mean
41:06
we've seen this like as far as the
41:07
training or as far as whatever else as
41:09
far as the standard of accountability
41:11
you know the whole qualified immunity
41:12
thing where it's it's virtually
41:14
impossible for them to be held
41:16
accountable for bad acts all of that
41:18
stuff comes into play but I don't think
41:20
we need to dance around here like all of
41:22
that stuff just evidence is the same
41:23
thing that's the same hypocrisy the same
41:25
disregard for some lives life with some
41:28
lives and such care and such empathy for
41:31
other lives I mean that's yeah
41:34
and let me finish up one final thought
41:36
because that's very true and and I'll
41:39
say this like you're saying about the
41:40
comparison and empathy for others
41:42
because the one thing that Carleton
41:43
alluded to that just for me to finish
41:45
off is the church aspect think about
41:49
what I dislike the down on me Carlton
41:52
when you're saying and of course I knew
41:53
the case but but it just reminded me he
41:56
shot these people in a church after he
41:58
prayed with them for an hour and think
42:00
about the amount of people that where
42:04
their religiosity and their Christianity
42:07
on their sleeves and there's so much so
42:09
that the president of felt two weeks ago
42:12
that he had to go to Washington DC and
42:15
use the military to push out peaceful
42:17
protesters so you gonna hold a Bible in
42:19
front of the church because he thought
42:20
that would say you know his image is a
42:22
tough guy my point is is that this is
42:25
where it's Jimmy's point you know just
42:27
calling out the hypocrisy that even
42:29
black people murdered in cold blood at a
42:32
church while they're praying still
42:33
wasn't good enough for the majority of
42:35
America to treat this equally to say
42:38
this is so horrible this kid needs to be
42:40
killed like right now or death penalty
42:43
now and in to your point
42:45
Candace Owens wasn't on there saying and
42:48
not to bring her up to bring her up amor
42:49
that these same people with this
42:51
mentality it's the idea of her the only
42:53
saying that they weren't there all of a
42:55
sudden bringing up this kid Dylann roofs
42:56
history in high school and what how bad
42:59
of a person he was it's always like oh
43:01
boy he was just crazy that's right you
43:03
don't know that's exactly right so where
43:05
do we go from here I guess this this is
43:06
this is we're all frustrated we've all
43:09
been angry we were angry for a long time
43:12
America is just seeing it now America is
43:14
just experiencing it what I do see is
43:18
positive in this moment is I've seen a
43:20
lot of I've seen more white people out
43:23
protesting than I ever have and it seems
43:26
like more people but there's there's a
43:28
Boyar ISM any oh I on Instagram and
43:31
share a moment I agree I agree I grant
43:33
to you know no question how everybody is
43:36
not out here authentically you know with
43:38
the brothers and sisters trying to
43:40
change the community I agree what I
43:42
agree I mean we got every corporation
43:46
but let me just say this point though I
43:49
do think I do think I was second today I
43:51
do think there we've seen a shift in
43:52
public opinion about policing that we've
43:55
never seen generally it was always no
43:58
matter what the police are right and
44:00
something there must have been something
44:02
going on there and now it's about 57% of
44:06
the public is like well we need to make
44:07
some change in policing and we've seen
44:09
you know it's not it's not enough but
44:10
we've seen changes that we couldn't it
44:12
took people dying it took people get it
44:14
out in the streets but like we haven't
44:16
seen people are talking about getting
44:17
rid of no-knock warrants we've been
44:19
talking about that for 30 years so I do
44:21
see some positive in this but where do
44:23
you think we go from here in terms of
44:25
next steps and something that's actually
44:27
productive and moving things forward
44:29
Carlton link I think in order to get
44:32
there the unrest has to continue until
44:35
we figure that out one movement that I
44:39
do remember that you know I have some
44:42
mixed mixed feelings on was was the me
44:44
to movement but what I do remember now
44:47
about that movement is that it seems to
44:51
be quite effective because in the back
44:53
of my mind when I go to work or when I
44:56
go around people it's always in the back
44:59
of my mind it's always in the back of my
45:01
mind when I get around a woman or my
45:03
female staff or anywhere and so whatever
45:07
they do it's still it's still working
45:11
right now and so whatever we do needs to
45:14
be so persistent and consistent and
45:17
powerful that and that's what I was
45:20
alluding to with Candice Owens before is
45:22
okay why does she feel comfortable
45:25
meaning safe to speak like that I mean
45:28
why like if she feels okay to like walk
45:31
to the store go to the grocery store the
45:34
message you know what we're doing is not
45:36
working and so whatever happens at the
45:38
end of this needs to be so powerful that
45:40
people like whoa whoa whoa whoa I need
45:42
to think about what I'm saying I need to
45:44
think about what I'm doing and maybe I
45:46
need to even think about how I'm
45:47
treating these people that should be
45:48
what the real message is but if I say
45:49
man I'm not going at least somebody
45:52
treatment the reason why is because they
45:54
were really steep consequences we walked
45:56
right that's that's what
45:59
sohow's hundred percent of people are
46:02
gonna become anything a hundred percent
46:03
of people are gonna become anything No
46:04
Jesus Christ could show up and say you
46:07
know what you guys should probably take
46:08
the black people fairly and thirty
46:09
percent of people still won't do it like
46:11
right there's going to always but
46:13
dissension there and it's just gonna be
46:19
but what ameesha said is true it's the
46:24
consequence of it and so in a situation
46:27
like this the consequence needs to be
46:29
severe and I don't really care what it
46:32
is it needs to be severe enough to like
46:35
to your point James it's not going to
46:37
change everybody because I still see
46:38
some dumbass old men who didn't get the
46:41
message
46:52
you know so they're still going to be
46:55
those but now there's fewer of those
46:57
it's fewer of them at that point because
46:59
people are nervous about the consequence
47:01
like you said we have to create a reform
47:04
strategy that allows for that same level
47:06
of agreed because the police unions are
47:08
probably the strongest unions in the
47:10
country oh there's no question very
47:11
piecemeal strategies that are being used
47:14
especially at the federal level in many
47:16
of these things we've already seen if
47:17
we're talking about
47:19
if we're talking about banning
47:20
chokeholds over 60% of cities in America
47:23
already have a chokehold band in place
47:25
and cops still chokehold people and
47:27
we'll tell you even when the camera is
47:28
there it wasn't a chokehold while we're
47:30
watching it live so I think that there's
47:32
something to be said about us doing
47:34
something that is or pushing for a
47:35
radical change and change that also is
47:38
something that produces a systematic
47:40
process that avoids that you know tears
47:43
apart the immunity issues that we're
47:45
seeing which are currently being
47:47
dismantled at the federal level but
47:48
we're also watching Republicans in the
47:50
Senate say we don't want that immunity
47:52
stays where it is we're seeing a call
47:55
for a national federal database about
47:57
excessive use of force which honestly
47:59
should have been there forever ago but
48:00
bridge breach think it come up now
48:02
because what ends up happening is these
48:04
cops who end up getting caught up they
48:06
just go to another department two years
48:09
later
48:09
you know police another community and
48:11
they start all over from scratch
48:13
there is no tracking of their history at
48:16
these other areas yeah something like
48:17
that would help but we're a long way
48:19
from actually having something that is
48:21
substantively going to change the way we
48:24
police in America we have today and the
48:27
reason that police budgets are what they
48:29
come after Jimmy something we've always
48:30
had police budgets in America and some
48:32
of the largest cities LA Chicago New
48:35
York we're talking about upwards of five
48:37
billion dollars billion with a beat yeah
48:39
and then we saw increase over time from
48:41
the war on drugs to the war on terror
48:43
and essentially none of those things
48:46
have ever helped to diminish violence in
48:48
communities our geordie of the arrests
48:51
that happened across this country over
48:52
nonviolent crimes there from mental
48:54
health episodes there Borges hickeys
48:56
there for pay back it has absolutely
48:59
nothing to do with somebody committing a
49:01
violent act therefore things that we
49:03
could use social service supports to
49:04
actually mitigate there are things that
49:06
we could use a lot of mental health
49:08
therapies and clinics to actually
49:09
mitigate arresting a lot of homeless
49:11
people why the hell are we investing so
49:13
much to arrest homeless people why don't
49:15
we provide homeless people our resources
49:17
for the billions that we're investing in
49:19
police every day for things that are
49:21
essentially outside of their premium
49:23
that they're not trying to do any way we
49:25
could reinvest that money in other areas
49:26
yeah James I actually want to get to
49:29
this point because it's kind of a
49:31
transition from where I mean she just
49:33
said when you just asked I do I'm gonna
49:35
have you answer that you can have that
49:36
question too but I also want to address
49:37
this the fact is you can't create laws
49:39
you may not like people may not like me
49:42
but I can create laws to make it harder
49:43
to lynch me and I'd be great laws to
49:46
make it more difficult for for these
49:49
lynchings to occur I think they're going
49:51
on right now so you look at you look at
49:53
cities there are some cities that
49:54
subsidies nearly every city in the
49:56
United States from Cincinnati to
49:57
Columbus to Cleveland all of their
49:59
budget is nearly in policing all of it
50:01
just darn near you go like 2/3 of it you
50:04
like everything else that'll be policing
50:05
and that'll and that'll cover so much
50:07
and so looking at think about how we
50:09
take the war on drugs because I think
50:12
the world does been part of the problem
50:13
and deconstruct all of that that's been
50:16
part of the issue you know how do you
50:17
think about the solutions and you can
50:18
answer the first question I did to James
50:20
okay well I mean no I
50:22
the the wait
50:23
forward I think is personal liability I
50:26
mean that's to me that anytime I see an
50:30
industry where bad actors cannot be held
50:33
accountable then the the culture in
50:37
those industries is usually pretty bad
50:39
you know like when you have if
50:41
pharmaceutical industry places where
50:42
they've litt lobbied and gotten limits
50:45
caps on their liability you see a lot of
50:48
abuses nuclear power
50:50
you know they can't insure themselves
50:51
you know like but wheat meal we the
50:53
taxpayer you know cover their their
50:56
insurance because it's uninsurable was
50:58
like nobody will ever say a if you mess
51:00
up will pay for it they can guy they
51:02
can't pay enough money for somebody to
51:03
do that here the issue is that there is
51:06
like you do as many bad actions as you
51:08
want and you're never personally going
51:11
to be held accountable for that and so I
51:13
think that's what it needs to be the
51:14
qualified immunity is part of that but I
51:16
think that if someone denies you your
51:17
civil rights and I think that I think
51:19
that's pretty broadly I think I should
51:20
be able to sue the Secretary of State if
51:22
he throws me off the voter rolls like I
51:23
think it's ridiculous on he denies me a
51:25
constitutional right I should be able to
51:27
sue him I should be able to sue them
51:28
personally and I should be able to take
51:30
on a hat and if you do that then people
51:32
had that threat then I don't think that
51:35
much I think it's a damn good idea I
51:36
think you buy a that's a I like that
51:39
idea I think I think people we can't
51:42
that's something that can be done they
51:43
can get rid of qualified immunity at the
51:45
at the state and local level it's going
51:47
to be a hell of a fight yeah that's
51:50
gonna be one of those like they're gonna
51:52
lay it all down for that because that's
51:53
that they worked hard to get that bill I
51:56
bet ya that's not in place and by
51:57
accident you know like that's and don't
52:00
get me wrong I'm not saying that if you
52:01
you know accidentally do like yeah it's
52:03
a bad faith type of thing if somebody
52:05
does something in bad if just like
52:06
regular law if I act negligently
52:09
or if I act maliciously then I'm in
52:11
trouble you know like so why are not
52:14
actors of the state's
52:16
actors of state who act recklessly or
52:19
maliciously personally in trouble I mean
52:21
to me that's if you want to scale back
52:23
on this stuff that's how you do it
52:24
because then and when there's consequent
52:26
like Carlton storm are consequences when
52:28
there's consequences when I think can
52:29
come at you personally when you know
52:31
your house might get taken your car
52:33
might get taken because you want to beat
52:35
up some dude you know like I mean
52:37
that's that kind of stuff is not gonna
52:38
happen it's not gonna be worth it yeah I
52:41
mean I agree Carlton you want to wait
52:44
Tunde you what you want to have that's
52:46
what I was gonna just really I was gonna
52:48
say the same thing Jimmy said and really
52:51
say it stole your thunder I'll you know
52:52
yeah you need you need a personal
52:55
accountability because I was gonna
52:57
compared to something you brought they
52:58
always preach that personal
52:59
accountability once you get it all the
53:01
time all right I'll just say go ahead
53:03
sorry never mind
53:07
no but what I'm saying is cuz I was
53:09
gonna bring up something you alluded to
53:11
quickly which was lynching there was a
53:13
time in this country 60 years ago and
53:15
Pryor for the whole history of this
53:16
country to that where literally you
53:20
could just kill black people in
53:22
especially in certain parts of this
53:24
country and it was fully everyone would
53:26
look the other way and there the way the
53:28
only way that was able to be stopped was
53:31
eventually people that did the lynchings
53:34
were put in prison and by the 1980s
53:37
pretty much it stopped I mean the last
53:39
lynching that was classified a lynching
53:42
was in Mississippi in 1981 and that's
53:45
actually something he mentioned to out
53:47
Civic is the great connection to 846
53:50
yeah because he began Dave Chappelle
53:52
began speaking about the fact that he
53:55
heard him cry out for his mother
53:57
George Floyd and he only heard that one
54:00
other time in his life and that's when
54:02
his father who was about to die caught
54:05
out for his grandmother and he discussed
54:07
the fact that his great grandfather who
54:09
he gets his name from was one of the
54:11
first to go to the White House reacting
54:13
to a man that was lynched to South
54:16
Carolina simply because he had more
54:18
money than most white people they Durst
54:19
they killed him and he made the point
54:21
that I want to make to everyone right
54:23
now that this stuff is not a long time
54:25
ago like my great-grandfather this way
54:27
like this stuff is not that long ago and
54:29
we're still living with it as you can
54:31
see if a man can sit knowing he was
54:35
taped on camera put his knee on somebody
54:38
while he's pleading for life and
54:41
everybody's looking around like this
54:43
doesn't matter like they do this every
54:45
day the fact that he won't empower do
54:48
that
54:50
let's salute to this too like you're
54:51
saying it's not that long ago think
54:53
about what we're talking about here in
54:55
the year 2020 an anti-lynching bill just
55:00
failed to pass the United States Senate
55:02
because of one senator named Rand Paul
55:04
out of Kentucky a week ago
55:06
we're in 2020 and this country still
55:09
will not put legislation on the books to
55:12
say that hanging black people from trees
55:14
should be illegal I mean that's
55:16
literally what a lynching is any
55:17
audience member but we will Lynch it and
55:20
you'll see that is you know one group of
55:22
people hanging another group of people
55:23
from trees historically in this country
55:25
so that's that's kind of where I think
55:28
like you know when he was talking about
55:30
that it did remind me like we can't even
55:34
pass a law that says that this should
55:36
not be legal and that's why we gotta
55:38
keep it fresh so French to both sides
55:41
that's the thing not everyone is going
55:43
to give up their ability to harm their
55:46
fellow American who happened to be black
55:48
and you know what do they it all comes
55:51
down to one thing and this sparked that
55:52
when when Rob just said again talking
55:55
about people standing around watching
55:57
someone be killed for eight-minute 46
56:00
seconds and to your point as to why
56:03
people don't want to make certain things
56:05
illegal or give up certain things and it
56:07
all comes down to this word right here
56:09
it's fear and that's where we go back to
56:13
the consequences that ameesha was
56:14
talking about people are doing these
56:17
things and saying these things and
56:19
killing people and going about their
56:22
business because they have no fear they
56:24
have no fear of consequences and they
56:27
have a lot of fear of people that look
56:29
like us you know and that needs to be
56:32
flipped upside down and that that's just
56:36
how society works that's how power works
56:38
and so right now a lot of us are feeling
56:41
powerless because a lot of people were
56:44
fearful of us for no reason and and then
56:47
these people are going around do it
56:48
committing these acts right no fear of
56:50
consequence whatsoever because honestly
56:52
James you know I know that's the
56:54
attorney route typically you know with
56:55
you know liability and such but the fact
56:58
of the matter is I think a mysha mysha
57:00
you know kind of tiptoed around this a
57:02
little bit
57:03
which is what I sealed she was talking
57:04
about show calls are already illegal
57:06
murders are already illegal and right
57:08
now for instance in Atlanta when you
57:11
take that officer which I really don't
57:13
like highlighting this case too much
57:14
when it comes to you know the the
57:16
arguments at hand right now because it's
57:18
it's a little messy but well but it's
57:20
not like to that point but it's not but
57:22
like the point is the Dylan roof like
57:23
you got a point he did I have to he's
57:25
not a perfect victim but he didn't have
57:27
to die right right and I don't that
57:29
escalator in the Atlantic case though
57:32
the fact that with things burning and
57:35
all the destruction in Atlanta and all
57:37
the protests in Atlanta and it being
57:39
city of Atlanta this cop didn't have
57:42
enough beer to say you know what I think
57:46
I might let this one slide or you know
57:48
what I'm gonna think I'm gonna let this
57:49
guy walk home or you know what I'm not
57:51
pulling my gun for this I don't got time
57:53
for this he didn't fear going to court
57:55
you didn't feel going to prison
57:57
you didn't fear being highlighted in the
57:58
media or any of that stuff and that's a
58:00
problem man I mean this is this is hot
58:02
topic right now and he didn't even have
58:04
that in his head and still pull the
58:06
trigger on that guy well look IIIi agree
58:09
with that now and I'll say this as we
58:11
conclude and move here towards the end
58:13
you know here we've talked about the
58:15
things we need to do we need to get I
58:17
think we need to look at reexamining and
58:19
throwing out qualified immunity because
58:21
they've proven that they just that's
58:23
just too much power like they it's just
58:25
going to get abused I think we need to
58:26
change the standard you know murders are
58:29
already legal but when you're an officer
58:30
all you have to say is a couple of magic
58:33
words that I feared for my life and if
58:35
it's a and if the officer says that he
58:37
feared for his life no matter what the
58:39
circumstances show that's almost enough
58:41
to get you off that shouldn't be the
58:42
standard the standard should be you
58:44
actually your life was in danger there's
58:46
some proof your life was in danger it's
58:47
not you need to go to jail like but
58:50
beyond that people need to understand
58:51
the history how we got here that's the
58:53
best reason why I want to tie that back
58:54
in we never have never really in this
58:57
country dealt with slavery dealt with
58:59
racism dealt with Jim Crow we tried to
59:02
just say okay let's pretend like it
59:04
never happened
59:04
and let's move on no other country
59:06
that's moved forward and gotten past
59:08
these type of painful moments has taken
59:10
that route and there's a reason why we
59:11
keep coming back to this and this is a
59:12
danger I want to tell all of my all my
59:15
friends why Firenze black friends
59:16
everybody in
59:16
swing WEP Dubois said this at the
59:20
beginning of the 20th century said the
59:22
problem with the 20th century will be
59:23
the problem of the color line it looks
59:25
like this problem the 21st century - and
59:27
if we don't solve it we will destroy
59:30
each other as Americans this is what we
59:31
we have to be we have to get past this
59:34
and to get past this we have to move
59:35
forward and actually face it and face it
59:38
like Germany did face it like South
59:40
Africa did really talk about what
59:42
happened deal with what happened and
59:45
make sure that we move forward from that
59:47
so when people tell me they want to hold
59:49
on to all these Confederate statues and
59:51
these people were traitors to the
59:52
country and their only reason for
59:54
erecting these statues was to put up
59:56
white supremacy if you're holding on to
59:57
that that's not American it's not what
60:00
that is those are people that try to
60:01
betray America we need to move forward I
60:04
hope that people see this moment as an
60:06
opportunity to move forward but until
60:07
next time I'm Rob Richardson
60:09
I'm James Keyes lonna ameesha cross and
60:15
I'm Carlton Washington we'll see you
60:16
next time